Re: [Vo]:Secrets

2013-07-26 Thread Roarty, Francis X
James, The narrow gradient is necessary but IMHO it is the passage thru this gradient that is asymetrical to the reaction and provides the opportunity for anomalous heat such that room temp examples like Arrata with Pd were very small because the transitions were very slow / slow

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's promise was respected

2013-07-26 Thread Alain Sepeda
8O I'm shocked how fast claims, which make specialist laugh, goes to the media, while we struggle since 24 year for making evident calorimetry, tritium measurement, be accepted... that two weight tow measure story make me sad about the rationality of our civilisation. maybe is it simply

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's promise was respected

2013-07-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: With LENR we can economically and cleanly remove CO2 from the atmosphere the same way nature sequesters it in CaCO3 and such, not a problem Yes. Also, as I suggested in my book, we can use desalination and indoor farms to increase woodlands and convert

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's promise was respected

2013-07-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
Hell, it might be easier just to make water, like nature does...transmute it after we are done with it...desalination might be old school On Friday, July 26, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote: With LENR we can

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's promise was respected

2013-07-26 Thread Danny Ross Lunsford
It's astounding to consider the ways in which the world is going to change. No one can help but be inspired who has any imagination. I remember becoming aware, quite independently, of the inevitability of warming in the 80s, and for some time ran around like Roast Chicken Little warning about

[Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Jack Cole
With the recent corresponding findings of both Defkalion and MFMP suggesting the temperature needs to be 179C to initiate the reaction, I am wondering if this may also have implications for electrolysis with nickel. Obviously, it would be difficult to run electrolysis at a power level high enough

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC How to survive a robot uprising

2013-07-26 Thread Terry Blanton
This one reminds me of a roach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=ntlI-pDUxPE Kill it!

RE: [Vo]:Kitamura much improved

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Cravens
sounds like the Les Case system I have now. Tube in a tube. It can get messy (and costly- fluid costs) if you develop leak somewhere. When I was running it, I needed to run at a bout 60ml/ min to keep the delta T DOWN. The problem is if you have the delta T too high the properties of the oil

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Cravens
notice you only need the 179 figure to get above the Debye temp. You can get around that by alloying the Ni with Cu and even annealing. http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Debye_Temperature_and_Hardness_of_Co.html?id=Rhd5NwAACAAJ

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread H Veeder
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: With the recent corresponding findings of both Defkalion and MFMP suggesting the temperature needs to be 179C to initiate the reaction, I am wondering if this may also have implications for electrolysis with nickel.

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jack Cole 1) Brillouin Energy's method of electrolysis would seem likely to elevate the cathode temperature 179C. Could this be a factor in Godes' success? It is looking like there is nothing there with Brillouin. Months ago, they received a very large grant for testing at SRI.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
It is a strong field. But it falls fast, specially if the magnetized object is tiny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet 2013/7/26 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net That kind of field at 20 cm from the device (their claim) would be pulling tools from across the room. ** **

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
Also, this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet_toys 2013/7/26 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com It is a strong field. But it falls fast, specially if the magnetized object is tiny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet 2013/7/26 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Cravens
the magnetic field from a dipole falls of as the inverse cube of the distance. it falls off quickly. I am not sure what it would be outside a mu metal shielded device, but I would expect not much would be available for tools across the room. Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:45:17 -0300

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
They meant Tesla. But what is the big deal with this? These are dipoles. The magnetic force falls falls like ~1/r^3 at best with the distance. Each of these spheres have ~1T. Both structures are close. They are pretty still at a close distance:

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread H Veeder
Here is some complementary information. This abstract says the Debye temperature is higher when defects are present. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pssa.2210090108/abstract harry On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:14 PM, DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: notice you only need the 179

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Cravens
the B field of an orbiting 1s electron about a H nucleus is about 12T at the nucleus. Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:46:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? From: cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Jones, Where was that claim made? did they mean uT?

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
Because of the above limitations of passive shielding, an alternative used with static or low-frequency fields is active shielding; using a field created by electromagnets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnet to cancel out the ambient field within a

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jones, Where was that claim made? did they mean uT? Stewart On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Jack Cole ** ** 1) Brillouin Energy's method of electrolysis would seem likely to elevate the cathode temperature 179C. Could this be a

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Cravens
for my lower temp demo, I now will be using mixed Ni+ Cu + Au alloy (reduced from a mixed solution held in C mesopores). I am not sure what it's final Debye temp is, but I expect it is much less than 0C. D2 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:52:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Cravens
I did not notice external coils. My cells often sing at a few hundred hertz (around 400) and at tens of MHz. I was never sure if it was the reaction itself or just ringing of the components. Letts's empirical model has the reaction rates proceeding via the Lamor frequency rates at the

[Vo]:Interesting videos from a home made reactor

2013-07-26 Thread David ledin
Author heat a hydrogen tube by RF and tube begin to glow he claim transmutation of hydrogen to helium happen in tube I'm curious if he put nickle powder , potassium and Fe2O3 in tube what would happened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C95uhXSGqG4 Author claim :This video shows the change of

Re: [Vo]:Debye of Pd

2013-07-26 Thread H Veeder
If being above the Debye temperature is one of the preconditions for excess heat, then Pd systems don't need an application of heat if they are done at room temperature (20C), since the Debye temperature of Pd is several degrees lower than room temperature. Harry On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:47

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Jones Beene
From: DJ Cravens notice you only need the 179 figure to get above the Debye temp. You can get around that by alloying the Ni with Cu and even annealing. Dennis, Are you using something akin to Celani's constantan alloy? Or else Monel? Jones

RE: [Vo]:Debye of Pd

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Cravens
Pd reactions possible at lower temps than Ni --yes, exactly. However the reduction of the energy of vacancy of formation is also a good thing. Cu in Ni, Au or Ag in Pd, Sn in Ti,. My understanding (as limited as it is) is that you need the phonon capability for the heat to leave the

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Cravens
I am using a chemical reduction of a metal salt solution. The metals end up in the pores of carbon mesopores. Average pore sizes are around 9nm. I use a range of mixtures. The Ni variations are good for higher temps and are cheaper. The Pd variations cost a lot to make but seem to give a

RE: [Vo]:Debye of Pd

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Cravens
I think that the Debye temp is useful, although I am not sure if it is the acoustical or optical phonons that are actually involve. I have a better feel for the optical phonon moderating the reaction ( as seen from the duel laser stuff) than the acoustical phonon that seem to be more involved

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
Is it possible that the units used to describe the magnetic field were incorrect? It is easy to have a slip of this sort and it would be a shame to use that against them. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Jul

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
It would not be out of line to assume that there is no relationship to the Debye temperature whatsoever. This might just be a guess on their part. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 12:52 pm Subject:

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
Stack a zillion of these guys up and you might get a significant field at a distance. My take on this is that the size of the field needs to be clarified as well as the magnitude if it is real. It is too early for us to determine exactly what is occurring. Dave -Original

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
You can use these types of electromagnetics to cancel out a field within a small region, but a lot depends upon the shape of the field you are attempting to eliminate. I have seen Helmholtz coils used to balance out the earth's field in experiments. In this case the incident field is almost

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
Dennis, do your experiments generally have pulses of currents hitting the active material? It might be that the metal wires are given impulse like kicks that cause them to ring at their resonant frequencies. Dave -Original Message- From: DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com To:

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Alan Fletcher
Ruby Carat summarizes Kim at http://coldfusionnow.org/iccf-18-day-5-presentations-and-awards/ .. The Hyperion reactor contains a core of nickel metal foam. Heating the system to 180 C – 849 C, the Hyperion is then triggered, after which the magnetic field rose 0.6 to 1.6 Tesla. Kim says,

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Cravens
My HV based systems are normally pulsed in the range of 0.1 to 400 Hz. But even the old electrolysis system would give MHz signals. (bubbles) D2 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? From: dlrober...@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013

Re: [Vo]:Debye of Pd

2013-07-26 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Harry, -6C is 21.2 F...below freezing.. perhaps this is why Pd research has been so sluggish? Some small population of Arrata's Pd atoms get this cold and be responsible for life after death reports? I don't know if anyone has ever thought to cool the Pd under test. ... Fran From: H Veeder

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Jones Beene
From: DJ Cravens the B field of an orbiting 1s electron about a H nucleus is about 12T at the nucleus. Yes - but since this field is cancelled by the other electron (which completes the orbital shell) in the molecule, it is diamagnetic. But this brings up an important point about a

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
Interesting that you pulse some of them at 400 Hz. That might explain the occurrence of that frequency, but the MHz ones must be a different process. Bubbles seem to be a little slower acting, but who knows? I could imagine some form of reinforcement at RF frequencies which leads to a

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Cravens
yes, we tried to put in freqs into the electrolytic cells at the frequencies they were transmitting. No real effect.You might want to look up Letts' application of RF at around 82Mhz which was calculated based on the nuclear flip of a D nebulous due to the B field of an orbiting e. I

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
Do you recall how large the signal was that you saw at the RF frequencies? And, any idea of how tight the frequency emission band was? Too bad the system did not respond well to outside RF drive. Of course, the drive requirement might be too tight to achieve with your equipment. If the

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Cravens
I was just using a freq. spectrum an. at the time. It just put the freq. in bins. or gave a FFT of the signal. I seem to recall that it had a 1/2 width of about 10 MHz You might ask Letts. I think he spent some time looking at such things. D2 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re:

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Jones, f/h, hydrino AND relativistic hydrogen are all the same. I have always supported this hypothesis as the most likely source of the energy if not the primary source [relativistic/ZPE], or at very least the necessary bootstrap to enable the nuclear path theories. As far as the large

Re: [Vo]:Debye of Pd

2013-07-26 Thread James Bowery
This response mysteriously ended up going to Francis rather than vortex-l. -- Forwarded message -- From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Secrets To: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com How many Pd+D electrolysis

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
Another issue raises its head when you attempt to align a large number of individual magnets together to achieve a large overall field. The individual magnetic elements are subject to a strong magnetic force which attempts to reverse their directions. The energy stored within the total field

Re: [Vo]:Debye of Pd

2013-07-26 Thread mixent
In reply to DJ Cravens's message of Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:41:48 -0600: Hi, [snip] My mental model more easily sees the optical phonons pushing D's together then it sees acoustical phonons doing that. For D this may be appropriate, but it goes nowhere toward explaining H + Ni, where the reaction

Re: [Vo]:Debye of Pd

2013-07-26 Thread mixent
In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:39:20 -0500: Hi, I think it's only important to be *above* the Debye temp. Perhaps even the further above the better. This response mysteriously ended up going to Francis rather than vortex-l. -- Forwarded message --

Re: [Vo]:Interesting videos from a home made reactor

2013-07-26 Thread mixent
In reply to David ledin's message of Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:07:29 +0430: Hi, Pity he didn't put a Geiger counter next to it. Author heat a hydrogen tube by RF and tube begin to glow he claim transmutation of hydrogen to helium happen in tube I'm curious if he put nickle powder , potassium and

[Vo]:DGT Really Has Something Big

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
I reviewed the DGT demonstration and had a chance to give it a bit of serious thought. One observation that I focused upon was the reading of the output temperature during the hydrogen cycle. It is obvious that this reading remained stuck at 100 C during a lot of time as the power output was

Re: [Vo]:Interesting videos from a home made reactor

2013-07-26 Thread James Bowery
This is his current youtube channel: Christopher Strevenshttp://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHGieZG_SlkXcYmZNIQpMWQ http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHGieZG_SlkXcYmZNIQpMWQ?feature=watch On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM, David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com wrote: Author heat a hydrogen

Re: [Vo]:Interesting videos from a home made reactor

2013-07-26 Thread James Bowery
Signal to noise ratio is low with this guy. Quoting him from a Daily Mail article: Oh yes, I've seen a nuclear bomb, or a good copy of one. It was green, about the size of an orange, with two levers - one to cock it, one to set the timer.' Using his new-found expertise, Chris carried out a

Re: [Vo]:DGT Really Has Something Big

2013-07-26 Thread blaze spinnaker
Can anyone come up with a way to prove that the water is not being totally vaporized under the conditions that were demonstrated? So far I come up empty. My best estimate is that the true power output is over 20 kilowatts of heat which is significant. My only concern is the speed of vapor

Re: [Vo]:Interesting videos from a home made reactor

2013-07-26 Thread David ledin
James Thanks for information i didn't know he is famous . On 7/27/13, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Signal to noise ratio is low with this guy. Quoting him from a Daily Mail article: Oh yes, I've seen a nuclear bomb, or a good copy of one. It was green, about the size of an

Re: [Vo]:Interesting videos from a home made reactor

2013-07-26 Thread James Bowery
Here is some apparent signal from him: I found evidence for radiation from my gm tube that showed a dose rate of 7.5 uSv/Hr. http://www.chrissimages.co.uk/MyCrazyIdeas/Practical%20Suggestions/MyFusionReactor/index.htm On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 6:25 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Interesting videos from a home made reactor

2013-07-26 Thread David ledin
This is a quote from him about cold fusion The theory of cold fusion is that when hydrogen is adsorbed into palladium metal the hydrogen atoms get mixed with the electron gas in the metal so that the protons are able to pack close together so that meson tunnelling occurred. This makes a

[Vo]:My top three credible links for non believers / newbs:

2013-07-26 Thread blaze spinnaker
(Not for pathoskeptics, who I ignore, they bore me with their repetitive noise) 1. https://www.google.com/patents/US8419919 (Navy Patent) 2. http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013076378A2 Soinen's patent (In particular pointing out the pyroelectric fusion) 3. http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913 (I point

Re: [Vo]:My top three credible links for non believers / newbs:

2013-07-26 Thread Danny Ross Lunsford
You seem like a reasonable person - why not use your real name? Maybe I should assume it really is Blaze. --- I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin From: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com To:

Re: [Vo]:My top three credible links for non believers / newbs:

2013-07-26 Thread Danny Ross Lunsford
I mean put it in context - 1922 - Today Einstein met with Blaze Spinnaker to discuss the results of the solar eclipse experiment, which promises to completely change man's understanding of space and time as physical things..   --- I write a little. I

Re: [Vo]:My top three credible links for non believers / newbs:

2013-07-26 Thread blaze spinnaker
Actually, this one too: http://www.globalenergycorporation.net/Publications.aspx Though it's a link to links, it's a good one to use for scientists who like peer reviewed pubs. On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:30 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: (Not for pathoskeptics, who I

[Vo]:Kiplinger Letter, July 26, 2013 - Advances in Desalination Technology is coming

2013-07-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
According to Kiplinger's anonymous sources there have been advances in desalination technology. This will help out parched coastal cities that need additional supplies H2O. Next-generation water filtration equipment, enhanced chlorination systems and other big breakthroughs are in the process of

Re: [Vo]:Kitamura much improved

2013-07-26 Thread blaze spinnaker
I read 195 watts input, up to 20 watts excess. Is that correct? That's a little weak and seems subject to measurement error. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Kitamura et al. have been working on gas loaded Pd and Ni for some time, originally in a

[Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-07-26 Thread H Veeder
From MFMP's facebook page. Harry --- We are very sorry for the hiatus in our communications - we have been working in...credibly intensely to move this field forward on several fronts - all we can say is that we think ICCF-18 was a watershed for this emerging science with excellent new

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-26 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Well, Blaze. You have ignored this twice now once I brought up the fact that Impact Factor looked meaningless. Yet you are posting on other threads, with the outward appearance of one who is coming up to speed on LENR. My first conclusion is that you are backtracking from your original

Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-07-26 Thread blaze spinnaker
Very very exciting. Hopefully they will publish a test protocol for review / scrutiny well beforehand.

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-26 Thread blaze spinnaker
What are you talking about? Let's recap in bullet point in case you're having a hard time reading: - I don't think impact factor is meaningless and don't care if you think it is. - This is why I stated impact factor 15, which I said I was willing to honor. - I am willing to bet someone at 20:1

Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-07-26 Thread Kevin O'Malley
DGT stole a page from Rossi's book on the Ni-H scientific side, now they're stealing a page from his book on how to conduct business and promise undisclosed future promises of independent university testing. I think they were working with Rossi and decided for themselves that the guy was too

[Vo]:MY Called Out

2013-07-26 Thread Terry Blanton
From the moles: 1. - dixiepnum http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/account.php?u=166 - 2 hours ago quote Ok Mary. It's time. I am a big suck for epistemology. I have been on this forum since the steorn days and have enjoyed your company. At first, I thought you were just

Re: [Vo]:Kiplinger Letter, July 26, 2013 - Advances in Desalination Technology is coming

2013-07-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
Steve, I recently finished working on a design for a system in Perth. They all tend to be energy hogs as you are pumping lots of water around and have large pressure drops across membranes/filtration equipment and evaporators, etc. Really needs a large source of green energy to power Stewart

[Vo]:Defkalion magnetic field

2013-07-26 Thread Bob Higgins
In Dr. Y. E. Kim's ICCF-18 presentation he reported that at initiation of the sparking drive, the external magnetic field was measured as 0.6 Tesla. [He did not say what the magnetic field was while cold or during warm-up, but the implication was that there was little or no field.] When excess

Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-07-26 Thread Joe Hughes
i tried to explain this very thing to blaze over on the above top secret forums a little over a month ago and encouraged him to join this mailing list to hear from some real experts in the field which is how he wound up here. i agree his tune has changed incredibly from the beginning which is

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-26 Thread Kevin O'Malley
+of+DGT%27s+Hyperion%22 Joe Hugheshttp://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Joe+Hughes%22 Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:13:51 -0700http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20130726 i tried to explain this very thing to blaze over on the above top secret forums

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-26 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Let's take this discussion off list. ***NO!! It is utterly relevant to how your assessment of this technology evolved over just a couple of short weeks and some simple reading by you. On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 7:28 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: What are you talking about?

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It would not be out of line to assume that there is no relationship to the Debye temperature whatsoever. This might just be a guess on their part. That's exactly what I was thinking. The Debye temp might be important,

Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-07-26 Thread blaze spinnaker
i tried to explain this very thing to blaze over on the above top secret forums a little over a month ago and encouraged him to join this mailing Joe, that's not me. I thought you were referring to something else when you said above top secret forums. I didn't actually realize there was a

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Eric Walker
Also note that the Curie temp for nickel is 357 C. I believe above that temperature nickel would lose any permanent magnetism. So if there is a strong field above that temperature, I assume it would be induced from something going on with the reaction. Eric On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:50 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-26 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 7:28 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: What are you talking about? Let's recap in bullet point in case you're having a hard time reading: ***In case you are having a hard time reading, I will answer each point. But why have you ignored my posts so

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: My first inclination is to assume some form of superconductivity interacts with the heat generation. Superconductivity, at least of the two kinds we're familiar with, seems like a stretch at these temperatures. Eric

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-26 Thread Kevin O'Malley
?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22blaze+spinnaker%22 Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:40:51 -0700http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20130726 i tried to explain this very thing to blaze over on the above top secret forums a little over a month ago and encouraged him to join

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: Also note that the Curie temp for nickel is 357 C. I believe above that temperature nickel would lose any permanent magnetism. So if there is a strong field above that temperature, I assume it would be induced from something going on with the reaction. Thinking a little more, I

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: With the recent corresponding findings of both Defkalion and MFMP suggesting the temperature needs to be 179C to initiate the reaction, I am wondering if this may also have implications for electrolysis with nickel. This is a

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: That's exactly what I was thinking. The Debye temp might be important, or it might be a red herring. I think it is important. The smallest lambda phonon equal to twice the lattice repetition width is also the

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-26 Thread blaze spinnaker
- Take this off list. This is my last response on this thread. Enjoy the last word. - No. I don't have to convince you of anything. I believe Impact Factor is valid and that's all that matters to me. - Thomson Reuters is an accurate source of Impact Factors. Most journals will give you their

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I think it is important. The smallest lambda phonon equal to twice the lattice repetition width is also the highest energy phonon. When the lattice atoms are closest due to phonon oscillation, the Ni electron cloud is

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:58 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Again, this is my last word on this. 2:1 it's not.

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-26 Thread blaze spinnaker
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:58 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Again, this is my last word on this. 2:1 it's not. Hah! Ok, you're on. I bet you $10 2:1 I don't reply to whatever Kevin posts

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:06 AM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:58 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Again, this is my last word on this.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: When the lattice atoms are closest due to phonon oscillation, the Ni electron cloud is at maximum distortion. With an abundance of H atoms in a highly excited state, the nucleii of both atoms (Ni and H) have an increased

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Yes -- I was thinking of something similar. (I'm still not convinced about the Debye temp -- is this a resonant frequency? Just like the air in a flute: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debye_model

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
Excellent point Eric. Rossi appears to operate his ECAT at much higher temperatures than this while DGT was very close to it. I wonder if there is significance to the difference? Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent:

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:39 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Excellent point Eric. Rossi appears to operate his ECAT at much higher temperatures than this while DGT was very close to it. I wonder if there is significance to the difference? Blow the flute harder than the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
I realize that superconductivity of the normal type is not too likely, but the relative magnitude of the currents required to generate the large magnetic fields suggests that resistive losses would be extreme if normal resistance values were present. That is the reason I am searching for a low

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I realize that superconductivity of the normal type is not too likely, but the relative magnitude of the currents required to generate the large magnetic fields suggests that resistive losses would be extreme if normal

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
It appears that the actual motion of the Ni and H atoms is still far smaller than that required to breach the coulomb barrier. I would like to find that thermal or sound alone is enough to lead to LENR, but it just does not seem to be energetic enough. On the other hand, vibrations in the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
But, the energy content of that sound is so small compared to the coulomb energy needed to fuse. There must be some kind of special trick that we are missing. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Jul 27, 2013

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:55 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It appears that the actual motion of the Ni and H atoms is still far smaller than that required to breach the coulomb barrier. I would like to find that thermal or sound alone is enough to lead to LENR, but it just does

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:55 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It just might be possible for sound waves alone to do the job. It's not really sound. It's quantized heat energy. When you understand that, you realize that spin up and spin down electrons can mate if only for a

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
I agree, the B field understanding might crack the case. And, if there is some form of transducer action connecting the B field to the current generating that field, positive feedback is perhaps possible. As we all know, positive feedback can amplify a signal to a great extent until a limit

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
Maybe so. So let's see if a large B field can dig a tunnel for us to use! Hydrogen in the atomic form might be far more susceptible to the field than molecular hydrogen. My bet is that the DGT device generates plenty of ionic hydrogen that falls upon the metal. The protons can be directed

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

2013-07-26 Thread David Roberson
My recent way of thinking suggests that heat energy is just random sound. If some way is found to direct the movements of the atoms in a coordinated manner, then that would look very much like a sound wave passing through the medium. I bet we could figure out how much the effective