On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Since the pause was 100% not predicted and instead should have been a more
rapid rise, how much more in error could they be?
How confident are you of this assertion?
How on earth could you or anybody else believe
I assume that the insurance companies you mention are only interested in short
term predictions. These can be reasonably constructed by direct projection of
past data and locally known factors. They are in really big trouble if they
are planning far into the future unless, by shear luck,
How does Mills protest his experimenters from chlorine compounds? The
experiment should be covered in a glass container or a clear plastic box.
With transmutation, there is no telling what vapors will be produced even
through Mills says that there is no nuclear reactions going on, but don't
Eric, I have seen graphs of the predicted global temperatures from several
different models and they all show a rapid increase during the questionable
period. Not one of them indicate that a pause was conceivable. They would
have thrown a skeptic out of the office had he suggested that a
Loss of ice is the key factor. The climate won't change much until most
of the ice is gone.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:52 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Eric, all you have to do is to read about the current long lasting pause
in warming along with the statement from these guys
It is unlucky for Mark that he will be missing the biggest breaking story
that there will be in this millennium. Maybe he will come back to vortex
when the good news hits,
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:
Awwwh. :(
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at
Is somebody interested in a documented discussion about:
Use and abuse of the comma in the sanskrit poetry of the 13-th Century
B.C.?
There are 13,289 forums specialized in Evolution vs. Involution
Peter
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
One reason why JoJo's
Mark, I and the history of LENR will regret your absence. You are a fine
journalist- was you forced to do this?
Peter
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
It is unlucky for Mark that he will be missing the biggest breaking story
that there will be in this
Baloney, if you know the subject as you claim, and there are thousands of
books; then it should not be a problem for you to give me ONE example.
Just one example of an observed macro-evolution event where we can see one
species change into another. JUST ONE...
Jojo
- Original
Thanks. Those are exactly the kinds of opportunities I've been looking
for. Have you put YOUR money where your mouth is in terms of LENR? I
doubt it.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Kevin O'Malley
It is important to make this distinction because we need to be specific in our
definition of what is occuring.
Mircro and Macro has nothing to do with size or amount of evolution. It has
something to do with the mechanism of evolution. Many people nowadays do not
like to use the term
My friend, are you actually saying that my propane flat plate heat exchanger
did not work is because I did it wrong? Did you do any better? Are you here
to contend that the propane FPHE contraption actually works as you theorized?
Can you make it work? Please show us cause if it is
My friend, you are no better than Huzienga when it comes to evaluating
scientific evidence.
***When it comes to cold fusion, Huzienga quotes ONLY outlier evidence.
When it comes to Carbon 14 dating, Jed is saying that the overall
(mainstream) evidence is appropriate for discussion.
I agree with
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
My friend, are you actually saying that my propane flat plate heat
exchanger did not work is because I did it wrong?
***Yes.
Did you do any better?
***Others seem to have done better than you in this replication
Sure, we can work together, but I was not asking a religious question. I am
presenting a genuine challenge that Darwinian Evolutionist must meet.
Just show me one example of a species turning to another species. Preferably
one that is observed and repeatable. But I am willing to back off and
was that the spark with or without fuel (water pellets)?
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Jack Cole
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:15 AM
Subject: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
Hi Folks,
I was excited to receive my spot welder
I don't recall hearing him talk about either manganese or chlorine, but
could have missed it. They do have a vent that pulls the air exhaust out
while it's running.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
How does Mills protest his experimenters from chlorine
It was with a tiny piece of copper wire that I dipped in water and put
between the electrodes. The amount of water is minuscule (the amount that
managed to adhere to the metal). You don't get that without the water.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:13 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
could you try copper wire without dipping in water and also with nothing at
all. - no copper wire, just the electrodes. These would be your controls. to
compare it with samples with water.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Jack Cole
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday,
Yes, I was planning to do that. I'll make a video of each test case. I'll
try with just the electrodes, with the copper wire only, and then dip it in
water.
I'm also planning to try with titanium. It will take a little work to get
a small enough piece of that cut.
I'm also going to try a
consider grinding a titanium bar into powder and then forming a small pellet
with water. This should be the quintessential Mill's fuel pellet. See if the
spark is as intense as Mill's suncell.
Jojo
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From: Jack Cole
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent:
I really don't know if new diseases counts as an example of evolution to you,
but a quick search came up with this
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK45714/
A weird example of this I suppose, is this contagious cancer.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140123141742.htm
I was rather
Lots of microevolution and adaptation does not result in Macro-evolution
(change of species/kind). This distinction is important.
How do you know that? And why must you maintain this distinction? Why is it
important for you to keep them separate. I don't. What for?
Have you measured all
Just show me one example of a species turning to another species.
On what time scale are we talking here?
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks
Jojo,
I'll see if I can accomplish that. In the meantime, here are the results
of testing.
http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2014/08/26/sun-cell-lite-testing/
We do get sparks without dipping in water. The last two are after dipping
in water. What do you think--more intense?
Jack
On Tue,
He's out because Jojo is spamming Vo with bullshith.
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New diseases caused by new bacteria or viruses are simply variation within a
species. The bacteria never change to become something else other than
bacteria. This is not Macro-Evolution, this is micro-evolution.
Jojo
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From: Sunil Shah
To:
Well, science is supposed to be observable and repeatable. That implies
a timeframe within our lifetimes. If you can not satisfy these 2 criteria,
it's not science, let alone settled science that Darwinists would like you
to believe.
Jojo
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Because the mechanism is different.
Macro-Evolution stipulates mutations that results in features that confer a
survival advantage. These changes occur from generation to generation.
This is the definition of Natural Selection.
Micro-Evolution involves changes in features within a single
http://www.shafted.com.au/photos/albums/funnies/a/thumb_Animal%20Sex%20(Dog%20%20Racoon).jpg
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
Because the mechanism is different.
Macro-Evolution stipulates mutations that results in features that confer
a survival
Yeah, looks like the last two are indeed more intense. Could it just be a
trick of the camera? Does it really look more intense in person?
If it is indeed more intense, I think Randy may have something Bummer.
For those people who don't understand why I feel the Suncell technology may be
I gave up on Creationism for various reasons. One central reason is the
profound lack of any ethical or moral background in creation. This is
inconsistent with the idea of a personal God but entirely what should be
expected from evolution. Nature red in tooth and claw.
Christians are too
How do you know that my friend? Do you have your own Climate Model?
It's statements like these that make me conclude Axil does not really know what
he is talking about. He keeps spewing statements like these which no one
challenges.
Look, the latent heat of fusion of water is 334kJ/kg, while
Thanks to all who noticed and kindly commented on my leaving the Vortex-L
list (apparently actually getting off the list takes rather longer than I
expected …).
Since you ask, I’m quitting because I simply don’t have the time to keep up
with all of the posts to the list most of which are
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/18/newsbytes-climate-scientists-turn-skeptical-as-climate-predictions-fail/
Climate changes all the time. Hence, denial of climate change is nonsense.
Yes, graphs show an upward tilt in warming - however, the change is not as
catastrophic as many predicted.
My friend, you're the one causing great controversy and much questions for me.
I'm simply responding to questions. I haven't started a thread about religion
at all. You and other start the discussion about religion this time around.
Jojo
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From: Daniel
Of course, referencing wattsupwiththat for anthropogenic global warming
facts is like learning about special relativity from a republican CEO.
More or less your going to get dis-information.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
Jack Cole, I will give you a few tips.
Do not try pressures above 10milibars. It will hardly block FUV. And you
need vacuum to detect XUV.
Also, do not get in contact directly with the firing. These can yield
neutrons and you can get very high doses overtime.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
Assuming the most liberal assumptions of the age of the Universe being
16,000,000,000 years. (504576 seconds)
Assuming that at the birth of the Universe there was a single cell lifeform.
Assuming that there are 1,000,000,000,000 changes from a single cell lifeform
vs Man. (There is
It does look more intense. I also got to thinking that the electrodes
could have condensation on them, thus producing a little bit of the effect.
After I wiped them down and did another control run with electrodes only,
there was very little spark/light. One attempt after wiping the
electrodes,
It seems to me that Jack needs to find some way of objectively measuring
light output through some sort of instrumentation. Any ideas?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
wrote:
Jack Cole, I will give you a few tips.
Do not try pressures above 10milibars. It
That's some good work Jack.
Are the wire diameters and lengths the same?
If so, these evidences are very compelling to me. Randy may truly be on to
something.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Jack Cole
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 11:31 PM
How about following Randy's lead. Why not use a small solar panel and measure
electrictiy output. Just make sure you zero out the ambient light, or test it
in the dark. Surely, this will be able to register small light intensity
differences.
Jojo
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From:
Interesting results Jack. Could it be that with copper only the conductivity
of the path is so low that the voltage is nearly shorted out at the pellet?
This excellent short might prevent the voltage from rising enough thereby
keeping the power and energy into the pellet at a low value.
A
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Eric, I have seen graphs of the predicted global temperatures from several
different models and they all show a rapid increase during the questionable
period. Not one of them indicate that a pause was conceivable.
The
I don't get it. Isn't this just electrical charges dissipating into the
moisturized air? It's just the electricity radiating outwards.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
How about following Randy's lead. Why not use a small solar panel and
Thanks Jojo.
I use the same piece of wire for the control and experimental. The only
difference is dipping in water (and any changes related to running the
current through the wire on the control run).
The constantan wire disintegrated on the last experimental trial.
On Aug 26, 2014 10:38 AM,
Dave,
A very thin film of water on a piece of wire should not change the impedance
that much. Certainly not explain the clearly more intense light output. There
appears to be something going on here.
Jack, it might help if you measured the temperature and humidity as you are
performing the
Correct me if I am wrong Jojo, but I suspect you are looking for a case where a
beginning species evolves into a second species that can no longer share genes
with the original mother species, but can reproduce among its new members.
My first thoughts were how dogs were derived from wolves, but
David, the spot welder works with extremely low impedance to begin with.
It just puts that high power straight through the metal to melt it (low
voltage and high current ~4000 amps). Do you think that tiny amount of
water film would have much effect on the impendance when the electrode is
also
I don't know how to measure the input power. We're talking 2-5V and
3000-4000 amps. I'd be scared to hook my oscilloscope up to it. You could
maybe do it on the supply side from the 110AC with a watt meter, but that
would be the power going in to the transformer.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:18
This summer I read On the Origin of the Species from cover to cover
for the first time. I had not realised what a truely remarkable book it
is. It covers the dogs/wolves question in great detail. In some
respects my day job could be described as being an evolutionary
geneticist, and it is
Is it possible to measure the voltage that is appearing across the terminals
with a scope? The high currents will make your life miserable no doubt, but
that would show whether or not the energy being delivered to the sample
increases with the water film. When I refer to terminals, I mean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
harry
Liberal assumption? That's news to me.
There's a conservative assumption, which means a cautious assumption,
which doesn't take outlier data as true until more data is accumulated.
This is not at all related to conservative/liberal politics.
2014-08-26 12:26 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart
Please note that I pointed out that I have not seen one graph predicting the
long term pause. Of course I have not reviewed every single model output
since that would be a useless exercise.
Which predictions should we depend upon? Those of the IPCC likely carry the
most weight and they show
Note that the constantan wire disintegrated during the test. The implication
is that much more energy was deposited into it than in the other cases. This
supports the proposition that some form of impedance matching is taking place
since the impedance of constantan is much greater than
It is the initial contact point that I am thinking about Jojo. The water in
that immediate path should rapidly turn into gas or plasma due to the energy
deposited into it. If the water does not matter then why would we expect it to
contribute to the spark? I suppose the real question is how
Interesting argument that I had not seen before. And it starts with life
being present at the beginning, whereas the earliest life postulated by
abiogenesis proponents is about 5 Billion years ago. That makes it a very
conservative theory. Working backwards, we should see the kind of change
you
Its have been lots of unsubscribing in the last time.
Can it have
something to do with a increasing level of crackpottery at this site?
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:05:13 -0700, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
Interesting argument that I had not seen before. And it starts with
life being present at the
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:47 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Lets put an end to this discussion since it is obvious that we will not
come to a resolution that is acceptable to both of us. Everyone is
entitled to their beliefs and that is good for science in the long run.
I
Ice is melting and feeding the deep ocean currents that rise every few
decades to cool off the coasts.
Sea level rise is the simple indicator that marks the point of disaster.
Coastal cities will flood as the ice melts. When all the ice is gone, that
is when the climate is in big trouble. The
If the energy release is as great as claimed by Mills then the transformer
losses should be swamped by the energy output.
If all you have is a particular kind of electrode in contact with water
then the solution is pretty obvious:
Submerge the electrode in water as a bulk calorimeter, run it for
Sounds good to me my friend.
Dave
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From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:47 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Lets
I expect experts to produce hard results that verify their status as experts.
Otherwise, it starts to resemble theology. It looks similar to economists who
can't play the stock market or psychologists who can't predict parolee behavior
above common sense.
I see two broad dangers in climate
I agree James. I will be working to set up an electrolysis system.
Although the behavior could be quite different in bulk water. I'm going
to have to interface the welder with a control system to do single
occasional pulses.
I just ran another test with a different material - nitinol. This
If it's so easy to label his argument as crackpottery then it should be
just as easy for you to prove it. So far, no one has addressed his
argument, just a bunch of sniping commentary. Perhaps if there was more
rational discussion of classical arguments, and less sniping, there'd be
less
I have it on good authority that the origins of Christianity and
Anthropomorphic GM is the common fungus
Amanita muscaria:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD06vjg0Jg
And if you would kindly stick to the topic, or, at least otherwise
label your posts [OT] in the heading so that they might be
Electrolysis is not typically associated with the enormous
currents/magnetic fields Mills now says are required.
Unless your definition of electrolysis includes arcing with high currents
and magnetic fields through plasma, don't bother with it in the gross bulk
calorimeter comparison with
Axil, There is plenty of reason the believe that the earth is on an overall
warming cycle. We can be fairly confident that one day it will reverse and we
will be facing a new ice age since this has happened over and over again
according to the best historical measurements. No doubt that
On 27/08/2014 12:43 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote:
This summer I read On the Origin of the Species from cover to cover
for the first time. I had not realised what a truely remarkable book
it is. It covers the dogs/wolves question in great detail.
I bought a copy but still haven't got around to
Now that I have demonstrated a roughly equivalent level of light with
nitinol (comparing dry and dipped in water), I believe it invalidates the
hypothesis that there is something special going on here. The light
intensity with nitinol was far greater than any other trial with or without
the
There are detectors commercially available, but I think the most expensive
part is to keep this near vacuum. But, let me warn that it is likely that
all will be seen is hot fusion. What is happening is z-pinch, which is an
even older attempt than Tokamak.
2014-08-26 12:38 GMT-03:00 Axil Axil
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I just added Jojo the fairytale numpty to my spam filter I no longer see
him other than when he is mentioned in others posts.
Kind Regards walker
On 26 August 2014 21:37, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
I just saw 1 unsubscribe. Where did you see others?
2014-08-26 15:06
Hi all
If everyone adds him to their spam filters he will disappear back in to his
own little fairytale world of utter irrelevance.
See Evolution works thank Darwin.
Kind Regards walker
On 26 August 2014 22:15, Ian Walker walker...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all
I just added Jojo the fairytale
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/2011/12/18/evolution-watching-speciation-occur-observations/
The above reports an example of a new species that emerged in modern times that
can no longer reproduce with its parent species. Thus, we have an unambiguous
example of macro
I was reading last week's Science magazine and they had an paper that talks
about the new finding that the Atlantic ocean was trapping much more heat
than expected.They conclude that the leveling out of temperature rise
is due to this. It's a pretty compelling science finding.
What they
In answer to jwinter
To my mind there are two separate evolution question problems that need
to be addressed. The first, which you pick up on, is the evolution of
the complex folding proteins, and the second is the evolution of the
information that is used to define the complex structure of
Jack,
You are on the verge of the LENR precipice - where you dive off into the
meat of the phenomenon. What you are seeing is that it is hard to discover
whether anything special has been achieved. How do you whether something
special has happened? Well, you need to measure the energy balance.
Dave, you have a valid argument.
However, it might also be possible that constantan is a material able to
catalyze an LENR (maybe hydrino transition) reaction more, hence, it would
naturally be disintegrated in its own reaction.
It is critical that we be able to measure input power to rule out
If you measure before the input side, you have to minus the base load of the
transformer (its losses). Then you can run the spark and see if your
instruments are sensitive enough to register a fast power spike. Then you have
to integrate the chart to compute energy. I believe this is what
Well, we are testing the theory that Randy is proposing. In that theory, the
water should split to H atoms which would then undergo a hydrino transition in
the presence of a catalyst (the wire in Jack' case; powder in Mill's case).
This is what we are ruling out.
Can you explain the origin of
We used to think that mating and reproduction is the criteria to judge that the
offspring is a new species, but I don't think that is a valid argument. We
see cases everyday in humans wherein an offspring is so genetically deformed
that it can not reproduce and yet it is still human. Failure
In my previous existence here, Nigel and I engaged is quite a long
discussion about evolution. We did it offline. At that time, I asked Nigel
to provide evidence of what he considers to be clear proof of evolution.
I don't believe he has satisfied that criteria.
So, now, I would like to ask
From Jojo:
Well, science is supposed to be observable and repeatable. That implies
a timeframe within our lifetimes. If you can not satisfy these 2 criteria,
it's
not science, let alone settled science that Darwinists would like you to
believe.
I think I see where the confusion
Jojo says Failure to mate and reproduce demonstrates a genetic problem,
not demonstrate a Macro-Evolution event.
Oh is that why your not getting any? Hahaha.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
We used to think that mating and reproduction is the
http://phys.org/news/2014-08-southwest-megadrought-century.html
No matter how it is caused, the residences of the west coast will need to
adapt.
Due to global warming, scientists say, the chances of the southwestern
United States experiencing a decadelong drought is at least 50 percent, and
the
Well, we have conducted evolution experiments in the lab where we subjected
bacteria to artificial stress to stimulate macro-evolution. These accelerated
trials would be the equivalent of millions of years of natural selection. And
yet, what did we find? We find that the bacteria did change
This is how I know I am winning the argument. When people resort to mockery
and insults.
But, my friend, have at it.
Jojo
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From: CB Sites
To: vortex-l
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots
Jojo says
Even if this were true, the same events would open up vast tracts of the
northern American Continent for agriculture. There is little agriculture in
the Southwest so impact of a megadrought would be minimal to the US food
security picture.
Even considering your worst case scenario. it is
From: Jojo
Well, we have conducted evolution experiments in the lab where we
subjected bacteria to artificial stress to stimulate macro-evolution.
These accelerated trials would be the equivalent of millions of years
of natural selection. And yet, what did we find? We find that the
Jojo said: Even if this were true, the same events would open up vast
tracts of the northern American Continent for agriculture. There is little
agriculture in the Southwest so impact of a megadrought would be minimal
to the US food security picture.
Even considering your worst case scenario. it
Actually, reproduction by cellular mitosis would favor evolution. If
Macro-evolution is occuring, cellular mitosis should prove it quickly. Why?
Because one one set of genes can produce a trait that would confer a survival
advantage.
If reproduction is by cellular meiosis. both mutations
I saw where that Atlantic current is the assumed reason for the pause and it
might actually be the culprit. The climatologists also had a number of other
possible factors that they were considering before they finally chose that
particular one. Does it not concern you that this factor was
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you embed the electrodes reasonably well into the water, you may be able
to avoid most of the error for the heat that goes into the electrodes.
Asking as someone who knows little about electronics, what are the
Bob just generated a fairly good description of what it will takes to determine
the input and output energy. Refer to his posting. We can discuss more
details if needed, but that is an excellent beginning.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com
To:
CB, I still don't understand your contention.
A Delta T of 6C would cause all plant life to die? Is this what you are saying?
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: CB Sites
To: vortex-l
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming?
Jojo
Eric,
I am an EE. I would try it myself, but I don't have a spot welder. DI
water is very high resistance - essentially an insulator. But it won't stay
non-conductive for long if you are welding in it. One of the electrodes is
likely ground. To boot, you are normally connecting the electrodes
I would make my best effort at measuring the time domain voltage and current
waveforms across the load pellet. The current can be measured much as Bob was
suggesting, for instance by attaching probes along one of the large copper
electrodes. The voltage should be captured as close as
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