Thursday, November 18, 1999, 2:08:06 PM, Ali wrote:
>> No, it is the point. People should learn to use the program, not the
>> program to babysit the user.
> So you consider it babysitting. Hmmmm. Oh boy. :)
Yes, I do. When something breaks the internal logic of the UI just for
the whims of a few people then it is babysitting.
>> Uhm, you're the one on the side that wants to change things. The
>> burden of proof is at your feet, not mine.
> What's this chicken and egg crap about? A point was brought up which
> you thought was ridiculous enough to be rude and call it idiotic.
> Prove why you say this instead of rationalize it like how I rationalize
> mine, then expecting me to do more than you do to make your point.
Prove why the change should be made in the first place. That is why I
said you are on the side that wants to change things. Proof must be given
that a change benefits the majority of the users. That burden of proof is at
your feet, not mine.
> From this paragraph, I can say Steve, that IMHO, you are simply being rude
> and that's your fundamental problem. This discussion list doesn't need any
> of it. It's downright disruptive and intimidates those who don't know you
> for who you are.
Operative letters "IMHO" which is "in my humble opinion". In your opinion
I'm being rude. In my opinion it is rude to think that one cannot speak one's
honest opinions to other adults. That they must, in some fashion, be coddled
and protected for the big bad words which, incidentally, in and of themselves,
do no harm. I'm not here to treat you like a child, Ali, or presume that you
would want such a thing. It is that presumption, that total arrogance that I
consider rude.
> What makes it worse is your lack of insight into it because you find
> being polite political BS. That's crap and you know it.
Hardly.
> You just can't be bothered and we are perhaps not worth the effort of a
> little of your politeness. I am saying all this so that others will know
> that we don't subscribe to this sort of behavior.
I am being polite. I'm being polite in that I'm not going out of my way
to insult you by talking down to you, insulting your intelligence and
character.
>> But to spend so much time and effort to say the same thing in a
>> "polite" and "non-threatening" manner is just wasted time and
>> effort. Get a thicker skin or get out of the way.
> Why be threatening in the first place?
Notice the quotes. That means I *AM* taking the non-threatening manner.
Just others are so used to being coddled they don't know the difference
between straighttalk and threatening.
>> I hope I do for if I ever got to the level where such small UI
>> issues were the only matters of contention it would mean the world
>> would have the most powerful and robust MUA around which, instead of
>> worrying about small UI issues first it would have IMAP done and out
>> the door, automatic LDAP updates, be lean, mean and well documented.
>> But, hey, you want to debate where %cursor goes instead of insist on
>> getting real work done, fine by me.
> That sounds rude again Steve. I am not shaken by it in the least but I
> need to indicate your rudeness.
Rude? Maybe you're just not used to hearing the truth without all the BS
pleasantries. No, rude would be a lot worse.
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