The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 57 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Alutec or ASA wheels Re: Alutec or ASA wheels Re: Alutec or ASA wheels E36 M3 pads and rotors Re: E36 M3 pads and rotors Re: E36 M3 pads and rotors Re: E36 M3 pads and rotors Re: E36 M3 pads and rotors Re: E36 M3 pads and rotors Re: <E38> Trans Fluid Change Question Re: <E38> Trans Fluid Change Question Re: <E38> Trans Fluid Change Question Re: Forged E32 15" whees (was : Team Dynamics wheels) Re: Suspension advise? approx. weight of e28 535i fuel tank
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 21:02:13 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol (BMW)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Alutec or ASA wheels Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My personal favorite is the RGR. Bora On 3/1/04 6:59 PM, "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Mark said "Frankly, if this was to be the car I tracked for years to come > I'd get a set of BBS RK in 17" and be done with it.". > > I've tried lots of brands of wheels and always seem to come back to BBS. I > had my car on the dyno today. They got it up to 220MPH and there was not a > hint of wobble or out of roundness in my BBS RK2 wheels at any speed. They > are just worth more than some brands. Nothing wrong with AC Schnitzer, > Hamann, SSR, and many others too. Check ebay for pricing on used quality > wheels if you want to save some bucks. I saw some Hamann's at 50% of list > the other day. I also heard that Racing Dynamics (or is it RD Sport in the > USA) is clearing out some model wheels. Tire Rack has/had a special running > on RK2 wheels and maybe RK as well. > > John Kjos > '99 540i/6: Dinan S > '01 525iTa: Stock > Portland, OR > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:35:56 -0500 From: "chet.dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Alutec or ASA wheels Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "I had my car on the dyno today. They got it up to 220MPH and there was not a hint of wobble or out of roundness in my BBS RK2 wheels at any speed." John, You're lucky 'they' did not shred a tire at that speed. Even on a dyno, it's a dangerous venture to go beyond the recommended speeds of a tire. That is of course unless you're running x-rayed tires, etc....meant to handle it. I've heard of nasty things happening when people have done this sort of thing. Be careful, make sure the shop is insured and don't stand anywhere near by while they are doing this! I love my BBS wheels too. You get what you pay for and in the case of BBS wheels it's very good quality. Chet Dawes Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:59:00 -0800 From: "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Alutec or ASA wheels Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark said "Frankly, if this was to be the car I tracked for years to come I'd get a set of BBS RK in 17" and be done with it.". I've tried lots of brands of wheels and always seem to come back to BBS. I had my car on the dyno today. They got it up to 220MPH and there was not a hint of wobble or out of roundness in my BBS RK2 wheels at any speed. They are just worth more than some brands. Nothing wrong with AC Schnitzer, Hamann, SSR, and many others too. Check ebay for pricing on used quality wheels if you want to save some bucks. I saw some Hamann's at 50% of list the other day. I also heard that Racing Dynamics (or is it RD Sport in the USA) is clearing out some model wheels. Tire Rack has/had a special running on RK2 wheels and maybe RK as well. John Kjos '99 540i/6: Dinan S '01 525iTa: Stock Portland, OR **************************************************************************************** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and thus protected from disclosure. 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They seem to be just as true as they were when I put them on the car in November despite dealing with Chicago's pothole ridden roads. 21 lbs and less than $200 each is not a bad deal for a two part wheel that seems to be fairly strong. Regards Jamie Howton 2002 330i 1995 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 22:06:49 -0700 From: Peter du Bois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: E36 M3 pads and rotors Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I need to replace pads and rotors on the '97 M3. Can anyone comment on the value of spending the extra cash on BMW rotors(120.00 ea.) vs Brembo(75.00 ea.) or Zimmerman(65.00 ea.) and on Ferodo vs Hawk pads for street/highway driving? At most I expect to do one or two driving schools a year. Thanks, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:17:23 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 M3 pads and rotors Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mar 1, 2004, at 9:06 PM, Peter du Bois wrote: > Can anyone comment on the value of spending the extra cash on BMW > rotors(120.00 ea.) vs Brembo(75.00 ea.) or Zimmerman(65.00 ea.) You should be able to find the Brembo rotors for closer to $45 each. That's what I paid locally. > and on Ferodo vs Hawk pads for street/highway driving? At most I > expect to do one or two driving schools a year. > Which models of pad? Frankly, provided you choose the right pads, either one should be fine. Both are top-tier companies. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:20:33 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 M3 pads and rotors Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> get the ~$56/side Brembos from Zygmunt - http://www.bimmerparts.com/ - or another Worldpak (they all use the same parts catalog interface) supplier. I've run them with no issues, as have many others. note that the rears are actually more expensive at ~$80/side & are not available really cheaply AFAIK. Porterfield R-4S work well on the street and if you're not to agressive can last on the track. I believe that the Hawk HPS is a similar pad tho haven't used them myself. know nothing about Ferodos. Ben Peter du Bois wrote: > Can anyone comment on the value of spending the extra cash on BMW > rotors(120.00 ea.) vs Brembo(75.00 ea.) or Zimmerman(65.00 ea.) > and on Ferodo vs Hawk pads for street/highway driving? At most I expect > to do one or two driving schools a year. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:33:07 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 M3 pads and rotors Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mar 1, 2004, at 9:20 PM, ben keyes wrote: > Porterfield R-4S work well on the street and if you're not to > agressive can last on the track. True, but after a month or two of lulling you into a false sense of security, then begin squealing like a garbage truck. And they never stop. - Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 21:33:27 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol (BMW)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 M3 pads and rotors Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would not run the R4S on my kid's pedal powered go-cart if they gave it to me for free ;-) Hawk HP Plus or OEM would be my choice of pads for an M3 driven on the street with some autocross DE duty. bavarian also sells a street sport pagid compound as well. Bora On 3/1/04 9:20 PM, "ben keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Porterfield R-4S work well on the street and > if you're not to agressive can last on the track. > I believe that the Hawk HPS is a similar pad > tho haven't used them myself. know nothing > about Ferodos. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 00:23:23 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 M3 pads and rotors Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We run Zimmerman on Kathy's race car. No problems as long as you break them in properly. I have them in stock and will match anyone's price. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > I need to replace pads and rotors on the '97 M3. > > Can anyone comment on the value of spending the extra cash on BMW > rotors(120.00 ea.) vs Brembo(75.00 ea.) or Zimmerman(65.00 ea.) > and on Ferodo vs Hawk pads for street/highway driving? At most I expect > to do one or two driving schools a year. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 00:37:14 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E38> Trans Fluid Change Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's the difference between the GM trannies, running on Dexron III ($1.75/Quart) and the ZF transmissions running on Shell or Exxon full synthetic fluid, which are still considered lifetime by BMW. Primarily because the fluids cost between $15 and $25 per quart (with double the fluid capacity of the GM trans) through the dealer network. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that BMW now recommends that the > ATF fluid be changed every 100,000 miles. The four speed GM transmission > in my 528iA uses Dexron III; I had the local BMW dealer change the fluid > in the transmission as well as the synthetic oil in the final drive. > Total cost: $109.69 (!) At that price I may start changing it every > 50000 miles... > Bailey Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:50:53 -0500 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E38> Trans Fluid Change Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is this like any other GM (or any other brand) auto tranny where you only really change out 4 quarts out of the 9 in the unit? Ed Brett Anderson wrote: >That's the difference between the GM trannies, running on Dexron III >($1.75/Quart) and the ZF transmissions running on Shell or Exxon full >synthetic fluid, which are still considered lifetime by BMW. Primarily >because the fluids cost between $15 and $25 per quart (with double the fluid >capacity of the GM trans) through the dealer network. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 00:59:58 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E38> Trans Fluid Change Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A 5HP30 in the 4.0, and some 4.4 vehicles contains 14 litres of fluid. Dropping the pan, then refilling, will use no more than 9 litres. Better than 50%, but by no means a full load. Now one option here is to drill a hole in the torque converter for drainage, then tap it and install a pipe plug. Some shops do this, I don't. Gotta wonder about balance. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > Is this like any other GM (or any other brand) auto tranny where you > only really change out 4 quarts out of the 9 in the unit? > > Ed > > Brett Anderson wrote: > > >That's the difference between the GM trannies, running on Dexron III > >($1.75/Quart) and the ZF transmissions running on Shell or Exxon full > >synthetic fluid, which are still considered lifetime by BMW. Primarily > >because the fluids cost between $15 and $25 per quart (with > double the fluid > >capacity of the GM trans) through the dealer network. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:42:04 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Forged E32 15" whees (was : Team Dynamics wheels) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ed wrote: > Which 15" wheels were forged? What do they weigh? there are two of them actually - the dog-dish/satellite-dish looking ones are listed as Style #3 in the ETK : http://members.roadfly.org/m_ben/E32-style-3.jpg they come in two different versions (the center cap attachment is different, the wheel is otherwise identical) both of which weigh around 7.5kg. they're not really light, but with the 20mm offset they're a bit wider than E30 M3 wheels & only marginally heavier. I figure that the strength of being forged + the high ugliness factor appeals to me for track wheels. mine will be black shortly. they're extremely cheap too, which I like. the other forged ones are actually quite a bit lighter at 6.65kg. they're known as (imaginative names here) Style #4. I can't seem to find a pic of them anywhere at the moment, but they look like this in the ETK : http://www.circlebmw.com/parts/catalog/g36/360038.htm these TRX E28 wheels are simply amazing in their wierdness, but being TRX'es they're pretty much useless : http://members.roadfly.org/m_ben/m535i+TRX.jpg Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:36:00 +0200 From: "Pavel Tcholakov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Suspension advise? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I found the following very helpful: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum//showthread.php?threadid=86352&high light=coilovers/showthread.php Cheers, P. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pavel Tcholakov Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 4:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UUC] Suspension advise? Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I wrote to the list a while ago asking about some suspension advise. Now the time has come to actually decide on specific products. Since everybody around me recommends either what they have themselves or what they sell, I can't get very objective comparisons of what's available. I'm not in the US and I've found that the following is available locally: - Weitec shocks, springs and coil-overs (I don't think these are wide-spread in the US, come from Germany and sound very good) - Bilstein and H&R - Eibach springs - Koni coil-overs Can anybody please give me some more insight into these products? How do they compare? What are the advantages and disadvantages of different combos? I'm not sure the premium for coil-overs is worth it to me, I have tracked/autox'd my car and will do it again, but it's primary use is as a daily driver so I don't want to compromise it too badly for street use. I've read that a lot of people don't find adjustability very useful either unless it's for serious racing. More than an inch and a half of drop will be too much for my needs. I'm still running the stock 15" wheels with 205/60 rubber but planning to upgrade to 16" or 17" soon. What are your thoughts? What will further enhance the handling with street drivability in mind after this mod? I am planning to get a X-brace and a thicker rear sway bar next. Best regards, Pavel '94 320i. Now with CAI. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:36:38 -0600 From: "r.mackrill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: approx. weight of e28 535i fuel tank Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Looking for specs to calculate shipping charges... Randy Regina, SK ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
