The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 67 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: E38 trans. question for Brett A Re: [uuc] M42 water pump choices..... 6-speeds for V12 & V8 Re: 6-speeds for V12 & V8 Re: 6-speeds for V12 & V8 Re: 6-speeds for V12 & V8 <E36> Car lean? Re: <E36> Car lean? Re: <E36> Car lean? Re: Forever black or Black again? 840 vs 850 vs M3 Re: 840 vs 850 vs M3 Re: <E36> HVAC: airflow direction cam and valves <E46> M Variable Differential Lock Re: <E46> M Variable Differential Lock
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 00:01:49 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E38 trans. question for Brett A Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The difference between the 5HP30 and 5HP24 is the torque capacity of the trans. And the price.... BMW swapped in the smaller trans because they decided the 5HP30 was overkill for the V8, and the 5HP24 was undoubtedly cheaper. The early 5HP30's had problems, these were all fixed by 96, too late for most of them. It's a stronger trans, without doubt. When your trans fails, go back to your service writer and explain how you'd like him to pay for the new one because he refused to do preventative maintenance on the original. Then kick yourself in the head for being so stupid as to take such an old car to the dealer, and listening to them on something that your gut tells you is wrong. Find a decent independent in your area. With the amount of BMWs you have in the family, you should be able to build a very good relationship with him. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > With the many posts the last week concerning the E38 LIFETIME FLUID > discussions, please give me your thoughts on the E38 tranny > difference from > the early E38's (740 & 750) that had the 5HP30, which holds 13.1 Liters, > versus the 5HP24 used on the '97 & up, that only held 9.9 liters. Is the > 5HP30 more heavy duty than the newer 5HP24, since they used it in > the 750? > Did (does) one last longer than the other? Does more fluid mean > longer life, > just by volume? I'm thinking that 30% more fluid would help the > life. Maybe > not. Just like the 740 engine with 8 qts of oil versus the new > 745 with (4?) > quarts. Seems to me the smaller amount would be harder on the fluid. I > remember you recommending that we change the tranny fluid on the E38 at > about 80,000 miles, which I never did, mainly because the dealer didn't > really want to do it. Now I'm waiting for the 'shoe to fall' with > the failed > transmission & lots of $$ to replace it. What do you recommend for > replacement? Independent rebuilders or the BMW rebuilt? > Thanks, > > Richard Vaughn > BMW CCA #132931 Tarheel Chapter > '95 740i w/new engine hers > '92 535i 5 speed mine > '91 325ia daughters > '90 325i 5 speed sons > '96 Z71 mine too ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 10:06:29 -0000 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] M42 water pump choices..... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Chet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: "I know some 6 cyl water pumps with plastic impellers are said to be ticking time bombs, is the same true for the 4 cyl M42? I've been unable to determine either a brand or impeller material without disassembly of the one on my car. With the amount of miles on the car, I figure good preventative maintenance would warrant a replacement even if it's not the source of the noise." One could argue that any mechanical component of the engine - which is capable of failing - turns it into a "time bomb", especially as the oldest are now 15 years old. Even a big scheduled service cost could write the car off. The early M42 had its own problems - notably the timing chain profile gasket at the front of the engine - but its water pump is no more or less likely to break in service than a water pump in any other kind of engine. Later M42s and the M44 are about as sturdy as they get. Andy T '318i 2.0. Own set of problems ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:31:36 -0800 From: "BMWBits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Uucdigest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: 6-speeds for V12 & V8 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does anyone know whether the 6-speed from a Corvette or Firebird/Camaro would fit behind a BMW V12 or V8 ??Adapter plate ?? The early Chebrolet 6-spds were Getrag wernt they ?? I gots this 750il just a-burnin for a manual trans ... Bill & Shirley Proud Seattle Summers , Tennessee Winters . Long Commute between , ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:28:11 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 6-speeds for V12 & V8 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You might be able to make an adapter plate. It certainly won't bolt right in. By the time you're all said and done, it's probably cheaper to just use the correct V12 trans. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > Does anyone know whether the 6-speed from a Corvette or Firebird/Camaro > would fit behind a BMW V12 or V8 ??Adapter plate ?? > The early Chebrolet 6-spds were Getrag wernt they ?? > I gots this 750il just a-burnin for a manual trans ... > > Bill & Shirley Proud ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:11:17 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 6-speeds for V12 & V8 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anything can be made to fit, but the gearing on a GM 6 speed (Borg Warner T56) is way off for anything useful. The GM gears are tailored for the EPA fuel economy test with engines designed to run at 1200 rpm. The Corvette used a ZF for a while. Gary Derian > > Does anyone know whether the 6-speed from a Corvette or Firebird/Camaro > would fit behind a BMW V12 or V8 ??Adapter plate ?? > The early Chebrolet 6-spds were Getrag wernt they ?? > I gots this 750il just a-burnin for a manual trans ... > > Bill & Shirley Proud > Seattle Summers , Tennessee Winters . > Long Commute between , ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 06:53:21 -0600 From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 6-speeds for V12 & V8 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dunno about the tranny from the GMs, but here's one way to do it: http://www.robertlevinson.com/seven/ Malcolm '88 M5 '98 328i -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BMWBits Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 3:32 PM To: Uucdigest Subject: [UUC] 6-speeds for V12 & V8 Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know whether the 6-speed from a Corvette or Firebird/Camaro would fit behind a BMW V12 or V8 ??Adapter plate ?? The early Chebrolet 6-spds were Getrag wernt they ?? I gots this 750il just a-burnin for a manual trans ... Bill & Shirley Proud Seattle Summers , Tennessee Winters . Long Commute between , ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:32:01 +0200 From: Pavel Tcholakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: <E36> Car lean? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I measured my ride height at all four wheels today and I found that both front and rear is higher by about 15mm (0.75") at +the left than front/rear on the right. How would you explain this? Sagging springs? Bodywork damage? I've found some information on various forums and list archives +stating that it's normal for E36's to have a lean to the right but I don't think they all do? I measured from the bottom of +the wheel (not tire!) to the arch in the fender. Front was something like 570mm left, 550mm right, rear 540mm left, 525mm +right. I'm planning some suspension upgrades soon (springs & dampers), is that likely to change this or is the lean likely to stay? The car is a '94 right-hand drive E36 320i. Cheers, Pavel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:29:19 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E36> Car lean? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BMW did this deliberately to offset the driver's weight. Unfortunately, they never mirrored the engineering for RHD cars, so you're at a distinct disadvantage. Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > I measured my ride height at all four wheels today and I found > that both front and rear is higher by about 15mm (0.75") at > +the left than front/rear on the right. > > How would you explain this? Sagging springs? Bodywork damage? > I've found some information on various forums and list archives > +stating that it's normal for E36's to have a lean to the right > but I don't think they all do? I measured from the bottom of > +the wheel (not tire!) to the arch in the fender. Front was > something like 570mm left, 550mm right, rear 540mm left, 525mm > +right. > > I'm planning some suspension upgrades soon (springs & dampers), > is that likely to change this or is the lean likely to stay? > > The car is a '94 right-hand drive E36 320i. > > Cheers, > Pavel > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:34:48 +0200 From: Pavel Tcholakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> Car lean? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> LOL, I guess I have to live with it then :-) If I had coil-overs installed, would it make sense to adjust them to compensate for this? I.e. have both sides equally high off the ground, or is there some obscure reason why it should be kept that way? Pavel On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 12:29:19PM -0500, Brett Anderson wrote: > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > BMW did this deliberately to offset the driver's weight. > > Unfortunately, they never mirrored the engineering for RHD cars, so you're > at a distinct disadvantage. > > Brett Anderson > KMS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:54:47 -0600 From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Forever black or Black again? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Manuel, I like both products, but for slightly different applications. Black Again works well to clean and restore lightly weathered and oxidized plastic. Forever Black is a dye rather than a cleaner -- it covers up rather than restores. Forever Black worked well on the severely beaten trim on my son's '97 328i, when nothing else did. That was only 2 months ago, but it still looks very nice. Unless your trim is in really bad shape, I'd suggest using Black Again first, and if that doesn't do it, try the Forever Black. 3M General Purpose Adhesive Remover also works pretty well in removing wax residue from trim, if that's a problem. I'd suggest 303 on top of either one. On my cars, I use Black Again about yearly, and 303 every week or two. I order a lot of my stuff from Classic Motoring Accessories (www.properautocare.com). I've always had good service from them, but wouldn't doubt it if you could find better prices. Hope that helps. Scott Staewen > > Which has better and longer lasting results, Forever > > black or Black again? Where can I purchase the better > > of the two? Thanks group!! > > > > Manuel Paredes > > 95 325i > > L.A. BMWCCA > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:50:03 +0000 From: "Darren B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 840 vs 850 vs M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Digest, How many miles are too many for these engines? I have seen alot of them posted across the internet lately and I really like the styling, but many have 100-120k miles on them (and still are listed $20k+). That seems like a lot of miles for a $20k+ vehicle. I have come to understand that many of the larger engines in the E34s had troubles during the early and mid 90's, are the 8-series plagued with the same problems? Similarly, how long are the E36 M3 engines good for? I think I am most likely looking at the 95-97 M3 range because of my price limitations. The reason I ask, is that I am looking for a nice 'reasonably ($20K of less) priced' sports car. I love the unique style of the E31s and there are not many of them around. I also like the E36 M3s, but realize that they are the type of vehicle that tends to get driven harder under normal use by its owners (which is the way it should be). I am open to suggestions if I am overlooking any good BMW vehicles in my price range, but I think these 2 cars are my prime targets. Thanks for your input. Darren _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:37:19 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol (BMW)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 840 vs 850 vs M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can't think of a more apple vs orange comparison. 8XX cars are grand touring cars, designed to cover long distances fast. An E36 M3 is a sports sedan. If you want comfort and you will be commuting in high traffic regions get an 8XX, if this is your fun weekend car, then I would get an E30 M3. Note however that an 8XX is a $100K car and spare parts for it are priced accordingly. I have owned two 928s and the 928 suffers the same faith. Cheap to buy, and expensive to maintain. Bora On 3/6/04 11:50 AM, "Darren B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Digest, > > How many miles are too many for these engines? I have seen alot of them > posted across the internet lately and I really like the styling, but many > have 100-120k miles on them (and still are listed $20k+). That seems like a > lot of miles for a $20k+ vehicle. I have come to understand that many of > the larger engines in the E34s had troubles during the early and mid 90's, > are the 8-series plagued with the same problems? Similarly, how long are > the E36 M3 engines good for? I think I am most likely looking at the 95-97 > M3 range because of my price limitations. > > The reason I ask, is that I am looking for a nice 'reasonably ($20K of less) > priced' sports car. I love the unique style of the E31s and there are not > many of them around. I also like the E36 M3s, but realize that they are the > type of vehicle that tends to get driven harder under normal use by its > owners (which is the way it should be). > > I am open to suggestions if I am overlooking any good BMW vehicles in my > price range, but I think these 2 cars are my prime targets. > > Thanks for your input. > > Darren > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:43:01 +0200 From: Pavel Tcholakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> HVAC: airflow direction cam and valves Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had a look at the cable and the cam that control the direction of the airflow. The cable was in place, but one of the cam ffollower arms had come off the cam. I tried to put it back but then I can't rotate the cam. I took it off again and tried to move the follower arm by hand - it's very difficult, only moves back and forth a couple of milimeters. As I do this I can hear a platicky clicking sound from behind the dash, as if a flap is stuck closed somewhere. This probably means I need to take apart the whole dash, which isn't hapening, so no demist for me :-) Is there an easy way to get to the flap for the demist vents? Thanks a lot for all the help so far! At the very least I know how to change my microfilter now :-) Cheers, Pavel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:29:21 -0800 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <E46> M Variable Differential Lock Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> According to the BMW USA web site, the E46 M3 has this: "All Season Traction with M Variable Differential Lock" I found a description of how the diff lock works here: http://www.bmwworld.com/models/config/m3_diff.htm But here's my question: If you turn off the AST, does this also turn off the M Variable Diff Lock, or will the diff lock continue to function as advertised? Finally, was this feature available on the U.S. E46 M3 when it was introduced here, or was it added during a later model year? Thanks for any assistance, Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:25:37 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol (BMW)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E46> M Variable Differential Lock Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It was installed from day one. Knowledgeable diff and racers seem to think the limited slip in the M-diff is about 20% on a good day. Bora On 3/6/04 3:29 PM, "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > According to the BMW USA web site, the E46 M3 has this: > > "All Season Traction with M Variable Differential Lock" > > I found a description of how the diff lock works here: > > http://www.bmwworld.com/models/config/m3_diff.htm > > But here's my question: If you turn off the AST, does this also turn > off the M Variable Diff Lock, or will the diff lock continue to > function as advertised? Finally, was this feature available on the > U.S. E46 M3 when it was introduced here, or was it added during a > later model year? > > Thanks for any assistance, > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
