The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 142 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: BMW vs. Porsche Re: BMW vs. Porsche Re: 91 525 For Sale or Parts? Re: 91 525 For Sale or Parts? Re: Wanted: Automatic transmission 89 325i Re: Sticky caliper Rebuld procedure. Re: Sticky caliper Rebuld procedure. E60 M5 pictures from Spain Re: E60 M5 pictures from Spain Z3 rear caliper tq spec Re: [uuc] Z3 rear caliper tq spec Re: Z3 rear caliper tq spec
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:19:10 -0700 From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW BMW BMW BMW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: BMW vs. Porsche Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scott Staewen wrote: > I'm thinking about trading my '01 M5 for a p-car. Now that my > older son is driving, I don't really need the extra seating. I'd like > a simpler and lighter car. As much as I love my M5, its service > record I think has been less than stellar, although probably about > par for BMW (cam position sensors, final stage resistor, and recently, > vanos replacement). I'm hoping a Porsche would be better, but I > haven't owned a Porsche and I don't know if that's a realistic expectation. > So let me ask those of you who have experience with both marques how > maintenance, dependability, and overall cost of ownership compares. > My guess is that higher entry cost of the Porsche might be more than > offset by less depreciation, and fewer expensive repairs when out of > warranty. I have not owned a Porsche for a few years since for me a Porsche is a great "third car" and is not a direct replacement for a BMW or a SUV (I'm just talking about Porsche cars not the new ugly overpriced Porsche SUVs). If you never need a back seat or a place to lock a couple golf bags out of site you are in luck and will have a lot of fun in a Porsche if you sell the M5. As far as depreciation and maint. a Porsche should be about the same as most high performance BMWs (I talk quite a bit with my boss has three P-Cars and two BMWs and my upstairs neighbor that shares my garage who recently replaced his 2002 C4 Cabrio with a 2003 S4 Coupe). Late model P-cars seem to have about the same number of problems as late model BMWs (which is a lot less than Scott has had with his M5). With rare exceptions late model expensive cars depreciate like rocks (I would be lucky to get $15K for my 1998 Range Rover that cost close to $70K in 1998). The overall depreciation on P Cars and M cars seems to be better than average due to the limited supply but they still depreciate. I just went to the Edmunds.com site and the 2000 M5 that sold for $72K on average has an average value of $47K ($6,250/year of depreciation) today, while the 2000 Carrera that sold for $75K on average has an average value of $51K ($6,000/year of depreciation) today. Kevin Kelly BMW CCA 50039 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:01:14 -0500 From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BMW vs. Porsche Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Kevin, I'm still up in the air about what to do. The first thing is to get my M5 sorted out. The SES light is back on, and judging from the way it sounds, it's probably another bad cam position sensor. Now that I have new vanos units on both banks, maybe with new sensors it will run for a while and I'll be happy with it agian. Who knows. But it seems like a fantasy that there's any flat stretch on the cost-of-ownership curve for these cars. You can take the initial depreciation plunge, or take your chances with subsequent high$ repairs. Scott >I have not owned a Porsche for a few years since for me a Porsche is a >great >"third car" and is not a direct replacement for a BMW or a SUV (I'm just >talking about Porsche cars not the new ugly overpriced Porsche SUVs). If >you never need a back seat or a place to lock a couple golf bags out of >site >you are in luck and will have a lot of fun in a Porsche if you sell the M5. > >As far as depreciation and maint. a Porsche should be about the same as >most >high performance BMWs (I talk quite a bit with my boss has three P-Cars and >two BMWs and my upstairs neighbor that shares my garage who recently >replaced his 2002 C4 Cabrio with a 2003 S4 Coupe). Late model P-cars seem >to have about the same number of problems as late model BMWs (which is a >lot >less than Scott has had with his M5). > >With rare exceptions late model expensive cars depreciate like rocks (I >would be lucky to get $15K for my 1998 Range Rover that cost close to $70K >in 1998). The overall depreciation on P Cars and M cars seems to be better >than average due to the limited supply but they still depreciate. I just >went to the Edmunds.com site and the 2000 M5 that sold for $72K on average >has an average value of $47K ($6,250/year of depreciation) today, while the >2000 Carrera that sold for $75K on average has an average value of $51K >($6,000/year of depreciation) today. > >Kevin Kelly >BMW CCA 50039 > _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:42:15 -0500 From: "Karl Zemlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 91 525 For Sale or Parts? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you choose to part it out, I might be interested is some parts for my '94 525 touring (assuming they fit). I'm in Indianapolis. Please keep me in mind if you go that route. I don't have the time or the space for a parts car. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve & Barb Conner Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UUC] 91 525 For Sale or Parts? We have a 91 525 with 290,000 miles and some body damage that we are done using. We have had the car for about the last 40,000 miles and have taken care of it very well. It has a rebuilt tranny, good control arms w/750 bushings, a new set of coils and just about every other sensor on the engine (the coils ultimately fixed the problem) replaced. The insides are decent, but my step-son ran into the back of someone at faily low speed and busted the front bumper cover, some grill parts, etc. The car still runs and drives perfectly, but I just don't have any further use for it. Does anyone on this list want this car or should I try to part it out. Obviously, I am not looking for very much money from it, but I would like to see someone else have it, if they would actually drive the car. If you are interested or just have some advice for me, please drop me a line. Thanks. Steve Conner Kokomo, IN Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:53:14 -0400 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 91 525 For Sale or Parts? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -----Original Message----- > We have a 91 525 with 290,000 miles and some body damage that we are done > using. Hi Steve, Call me on 440 338 1650. Thanks Brett Anderson KMS --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:43:04 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wanted: Automatic transmission 89 325i Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why? ;) Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Marino > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 17:11 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [UUC] Wanted: Automatic transmission 89 325i > > > Group, > > I need an automatic transmission for an 89 325i four door. > > I would like the tranny to be in/around the Los Angeles area > to avoid the > expense (and wait) of shipping. > > Anyone...? > > Chris > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:18:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sticky caliper Rebuld procedure. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -----Original Message----- >From: "David A. Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <detailed description of caliper rebuild snipped> Dave, Thanks for the tips, I especially liked your suggestions for the post-repair celebration! I tried Sam's suggestion last night and it seems to have done the trick for the moment, but considering the level of effort required to get the piston fully retracted it definitely needs a rebuild. If I'd had the new seals on hand I would have done the rebuild last night as I ended up having to disconnect the caliper anyway. If I can pick up a couple sets of seals on the way home from work tonight I'll rebuild both front calipers this weekend. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:21:13 -0500 From: "Sam Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Sticky caliper Rebuld procedure. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am always wanting to learn. Why did you have to disconnect the caliper? I have heard several people say that the piston would not go back into the cylinder (caliper) until they disconnected it. There is no reason for this that I know of except that the hose is stopped up which is pretty far out. As I was visiting a neighbor the other day I came upon him about to disconnect the hose. He said it was because the piston would not go back far enough to allow for the new pads. I proceeded to apply leverage in a proper way and the piston went back all the way. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Daley Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] Sticky caliper Rebuld procedure. -----Original Message----- >From: "David A. Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <detailed description of caliper rebuild snipped> Dave, Thanks for the tips, I especially liked your suggestions for the post-repair celebration! I tried Sam's suggestion last night and it seems to have done the trick for the moment, but considering the level of effort required to get the piston fully retracted it definitely needs a rebuild. If I'd had the new seals on hand I would have done the rebuild last night as I ended up having to disconnect the caliper anyway. If I can pick up a couple sets of seals on the way home from work tonight I'll rebuild both front calipers this weekend. Brian Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: E60 M5 pictures from Spain Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think the front 3/4 view of the next M5 is really nice: http://www.bmwm5.com/articles/tenerife/tenerife.htm --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:18:19 -0700 From: "Grant Low" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E60 M5 pictures from Spain Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I think the front 3/4 view of the next M5 is really nice: > > http://www.bmwm5.com/articles/tenerife/tenerife.htm > > --Andre Shew. That's really nice. I don't know if it counts as "flame surfacing", but if it does, that's fine with me. I like the sculpting on the rear end, and the whole thing is just aggressive, in a good way. Grant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:27:08 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'UUCDigest'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Z3 rear caliper tq spec Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm helping out a friend by changing the rear brake pads in his '96 Z3 1.9. What are the torque specs for the cailper-to-bracket bolts/guide pins? Thanks, Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:10:59 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Z3 rear caliper tq spec Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "snug" beyond finger tight ;-) Seriously it's pretty low and I just give it a tug after they stop turning freely. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robinson, Lee Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 12:27 PM To: 'UUCDigest' Subject: [uuc] [UUC] Z3 rear caliper tq spec I'm helping out a friend by changing the rear brake pads in his '96 Z3 1.9. What are the torque specs for the cailper-to-bracket bolts/guide pins? Thanks, Lee Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:35:52 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Z3 rear caliper tq spec Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 12:27 PM 4/16/04, Robinson, Lee talked about: >I'm helping out a friend by changing the rear brake pads in his '96 Z3 1.9. >What are the torque specs for the cailper-to-bracket bolts/guide pins? Assuming the specs to be similar to an E36 (yeah, I know :-)), from the Bentley: Guide pins - 22 ft-lbs (as Marco said, snug :-)) Caliper bracket bolts - 50 ft-lbs Hope that helps, Jim Bassett ---- Hardware Engineer for hire http://www.jimbassett.com/Resume1.htm ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(12 messages) **********
