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Re: Z3 / M Coupe Subframe Tearing ???
Re: Z3 / M Coupe Subframe Tearing ???
Re: Stiffer bushings: was Z3 / M Coupe Subframe Tearing
E36 front upper strut mounts
Re: E36 front upper strut mounts
Re: E36 front upper strut mounts
Re: E36 front upper strut mounts
Re: <E30> needed: pics of different 15" wheels
Re: Squealing Pigs
Re: Another V1 question
Re: Another V1 question
insurance 101- dispelling the myths..
Re: insurance 101- dispelling the myths..
Re: Subject: Re: Updating the toolbox
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:20:52 -0400
From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Z3 / M Coupe Subframe Tearing ???
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ben,
I am interested in this use of later subframe bushings. Are they
interchangeable? I know that ti and Z3 and ///M coupe and roadster are
all the same, but was told that ///M coupe and roaster ones were shorter
than an E30.
Ed
ben keyes wrote:
>I put over 2,000 track miles on my E30 w/3.2l US M3
>motor and have no distress anywhere in the rear
>suspension, running stock 318ti subframe bushings.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:45:25 -0400
From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Z3 / M Coupe Subframe Tearing ???
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ed MacVaugh wrote:
> I am interested in this use of later subframe bushings.
> Are they interchangeable?
my mistake, the car did have the 318ti subframe, but
with standard E30 bushings. so the standard bushings
are apparently up to the task of handling the OBS-I 3.2l's
power.
> I know that ti and Z3 and ///M coupe and roadster are
> all the same, but was told that ///M coupe and roaster
> ones were shorter than an E30.
I believe you are correct.
I see no reason to want to use anything other than
bushings which were designed for the E30, either
the stock part (same for all E30's) or something a bit
stiffer ala Powerflex (what I have on my car now)
or something similar from another source.
Ben
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:55:06 -0700
From: jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Stiffer bushings: was Z3 / M Coupe Subframe Tearing
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [UUC] Z3 / M Coupe Subframe Tearing:
There is a stiffer bushing available from BMW Motorsport. Its made with
harder rubber, but carries the same factory part number. Expensive, but
a nice improvement. Maximillian can likely source these. Btw there are
also E30 upper strut mounts, lower control arm bushings, rear trailing
arm bushings, and some others like this also available through Motorsport.
For a properly lowered E30, press the rear subframe mounts in
upside down and grind the centering tab off the sleeve so you have a
round shape to match the centering cup on the car floor around the
subframe stud. You'll need to make a spacer from the bottom of the
bushing to fill the exposed section of the stud that now protrudes
lower. A front control arm holder with bushing in it is good for this,
or cut and drill some cylindrical shaped delrin.
To properly finish the lowering, lower the differential from the
subframe 4 standard washer thicknesses at each mounting bolt. Else,
since you have raised the subframe higher up to the trunk floor, the
driveshaft will hit the tunnel.
Final camber correction and toe deflection on lean can now be done
by installing the factory or other offset trailing arm bushings.
Install the inboard one with the sleeve all the way down and the
outboard one all the way up.
If you see an E30 or E36Ti or Z body stick like glue on throttle
around corners at an autocross, its likely its rear suspension has been
corrected in this way.Good luck,
Barry
ben keyes wrote:
>Ed MacVaugh wrote:
><....>
>I see no reason to want to use anything other than
>bushings which were designed for the E30, either
>the stock part (same for all E30's) or something a bit
>stiffer ala Powerflex (what I have on my car now)
>or something similar from another source. Ben
>
>
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:30:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: E36 front upper strut mounts
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Group,
I was planning on just picking up a pair of the
stock front upper strut mounts for my 325, but Barry
(JKerouac) noted something about the M3 upper strut
mounts. Seems the M3 mounts are better in some way,
and if so, how? I assume if he noted them, that
they'd fit just fine on my 325?
Thanks,
Brian
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:00:40 -0700
From: "Mike Hood-Douda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Brian Ruiz'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: E36 front upper strut mounts
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
M3 upper strut mounts have increased caster to help fight tramlining.
'96 versions have the Left/Right swap thing going for them that gives you
additional negative camber.
Mike
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Subject: [UUC] E36 front upper strut mounts
Group,
I was planning on just picking up a pair of the stock front upper strut
mounts for my 325, but Barry
(JKerouac) noted something about the M3 upper strut mounts. Seems the M3
mounts are better in some way, and if so, how? I assume if he noted them,
that they'd fit just fine on my 325?
Thanks,
Brian
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:25:46 -0400
From: "Steve Stoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: E36 front upper strut mounts
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I'm guessing he is referring to the strut hats, which fit between the the strut
bearing and the inner fender. They are for reinforcing the connection there. If you
swap the hats left to right, right to left, you get a free degree or two of negative
camber. The actual strut mounts/bearings may or may not be special above and beyond a
the standard 325 mounts/bearings, I don't know.
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Barry (JKerouac) noted something about the M3 upper strut
mounts. Seems the M3 mounts are better in some way,
and if so, how? Thanks,
Brian
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:01:58 -0500
From: "M Kittock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: E36 front upper strut mounts
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Brian,
I have a '96 328i. Based on the recommendations of a few others and the
local BMW independent shop, I had the '98+ M3 strut hats installed when I
upgraded to H&R sport springs. Reasons were to increase structural
strength (one guy had strut tower deformation after a few years of track
events) and a bit more camber and caster (not much, but some). If you're
looking for a lot of camber they aren't the ticket, however some will mount
them on opposite sides resulting in more camber - I have heard that on a
non-M this may not be a drop in replacement. Also, they do raise the
front height a bit (at least on a non-M).
Mark
'96 328i sport pkg (with a few more sporty upgrades...)
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 5/24/2004 5:31:57 PM
> Subject: [UUC] E36 front upper strut mounts
>
> Group,
> I was planning on just picking up a pair of the
> stock front upper strut mounts for my 325, but Barry
> (JKerouac) noted something about the M3 upper strut
> mounts. Seems the M3 mounts are better in some way,
> and if so, how? I assume if he noted them, that
> they'd fit just fine on my 325?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:30:53 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: <E30> needed: pics of different 15" wheels
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Well, I could send you a picture of my Delphin gray '90 325i with 15 inch
Fittipaldi 500s, but that won't help much, since you can't buy them any
more. If you go to this site...
http://www.linquist.net/gallery/040522_AutoX
...and look for Car 4, you can see my 15 inch ASA JS1s without the center
covers. Probably not much help there either.
Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA
>Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:11:59 -0500
>From: "Weimer, Matt J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "BMW Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: <E30> needed: pics of different 15" wheels
>Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Chris, Scott, Group,
>
>I have checked the Tire Rack website and while very cool is still just a
>cartoon. Real pictures at different angles IMHO is the only way to
>really check out the look of different wheels (other than checking it
>out in person), especially since this car will probably not keep a stock
>suspension for much longer.
>
>Matt
>'86 325i w/Ronal ACT LS 15"
>'88 325iS w/stock
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:38:53 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Squealing Pigs
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Pingger, is this on your E30? I've never seen a bearing kit without the
hub for an E30. On my '90 325i RF wheel bearing, R&R of the bearing/hub
assembly was quite easy - way easier than I expected. YMMV. When you put
on the new hub, be sure to drive it with something (socket, piece of pipe,
etc.) that drives the inner bearing onto the spindle without touching the
outer bearing.
Yes, a left turn transfers weight to the outside (right) wheels, and the
extra load makes that bearing louder. But it is more like a howl, not
squealing. If you raise the car and put it on jack stands, then spin the
wheel, you should hear and even feel a rough rumbly sound.
HTH,
Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA
>Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:56:43 -0700
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Squealing Pigs
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>sp.trw.com>
>
>OK, I've got to consult the expert wrenchers now. Let me get this right
>first, left turn squealers is the right hand wheel bearing, right? They
>both squeal right now though the right more than on the right turners
>(which would be the left). I'm going to have to replace both, I think.
>
>Checking with the "dealers" their bearings come with the hub at $133 a
>side. Bavauto sells a bearing kit for $109, bearing, nut and seals, no
>hub. How does the forum do theirs? I figured a full hub would be an
>easier install since I'm assuming I wouldn't have to mess with high temp
>grease (which I have done before), for basically $24 more.
>
>This is the first time I'm going to attempt this on a BMW (I've done it
>in other makes). Need advice from BTDT a what gotcha's to look out for;
>a respite from the insurance debate.
>
>TIA
>
>Pingger
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Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:30:05 -0400
From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another V1 question
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
We have one of those mystery signs in our neighbourhood. I drove past it,
thought the V1 was broken, came home, got Kathy's V1 from her car, went
back, still no warning, yet the sign read my speed accurately.
I've been meaning to ask Mike V. about it, but haven't gotten around to it.
I'm assuming the signs are using a different bandwidth for some reason.
Brett Anderson
KMS
> -----Original Message-----
> I love my V1 and wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. However, I
> have become a bit concerned about it as lately it seems to have stopped
> picking up 1 or 2 things that it used to and I thikn it might be broken.
> For example, the police left one of those "Your Speed Is" signs
> out near my
> home one day and I drove all the way up to it and by it without a
> peep from
> the V1. The sign was registering speed correctly so I wondered WTF?
> Usually those signs light the V1 up like a christmas tree for 1/2 mile
> before you get to it.
>
> Has anyone else had this happen?
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Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:45:41 -0400
From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another V1 question
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
They have one here in Baltimore that uses electric eyes across the
street you can tell it is less accurate because when two cars are nearly
side by side, it gets confused.
Ed
KMS - Brett Anderson wrote:
>We have one of those mystery signs in our neighbourhood. I drove past it,
>thought the V1 was broken, came home, got Kathy's V1 from her car, went
>back, still no warning, yet the sign read my speed accurately.
>
>I've been meaning to ask Mike V. about it, but haven't gotten around to it.
>I'm assuming the signs are using a different bandwidth for some reason.
>
>Brett Anderson
>KMS
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>I love my V1 and wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. However, I
>>have become a bit concerned about it as lately it seems to have stopped
>>picking up 1 or 2 things that it used to and I thikn it might be broken.
>>For example, the police left one of those "Your Speed Is" signs
>>out near my
>>home one day and I drove all the way up to it and by it without a
>>peep from
>>the V1. The sign was registering speed correctly so I wondered WTF?
>>Usually those signs light the V1 up like a christmas tree for 1/2 mile
>>before you get to it.
>>
>>Has anyone else had this happen?
>>
>>
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Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:44:17 -0500
From: Mark and Heather Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: bmwuucdigest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: insurance 101- dispelling the myths..
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mr. Lawrence,
I stated:
I know about the tiered rate systems..
I qualified for Allstate's best rate system here in TX with an
imperfect record... I don't know about the state you live
in , but if things are as you indicate, then it sounds like a
good reason to avoid Allstate there.... :-)
Just because Allstate ( in your state) only places drivers
with not a single incident in their most preferred group
does NOT mean that they do the same in *all* states,
(pun intended) and it most CERTAINLY does not mean
that ALL insurance companies do the same....
Furthermore, as I stated earlier... this only applies for
people when going to Allstate as a *new* customer...
For people (other than Rich Dorffer with Erie) that
are with their insurer for years.. filing a claim is not
the end of the world and a single claim will not cause
them to be moved from one tier to another...
Now then.. *as I stated earlier*..
if you like to change insurance companies a lot.. then by all
means do not file any claims ever so that you can get the
best rates from any prospective insurer.
I have a friend who had 4 accidents in 4 different
vehicles (two not at fault and two at fault) along with
several traffic tickets with Farmers and nothing changed.
THIS IS COMMON. On the FIFTH collision loss, his
third at fault in a 5 year period, Farmers moved him from
their best tier down one level and maybe two.. but
come on... three at fault accidents in five years
(each with damages over 1K) is enough to concern me...
That's a clear pattern.. .. Alex..F.. can you guess who this is? ;-)
on my personal policy with Sate farm. I have
1) wife accident 3.5 years ago - At fault - surcharge
wife still thinks she is not at fault but she was..
10% surcharge dropped off last year..
no change from the preferred "mutual " company.
2) my own accident - 3 years ago..
driving a friend's 'car... under 1K - no surcharge
3) 1.5 years ago my own accident.. like an idiot..
left the parking brake off and my M3 rolled into
another car... under 1K damages to their car..
none to mine.. surcharge exception.. I am not
at fault as I was not driving the car..
4) .5 years ago.. Neighbor borrows my car..
. hits a person in the rear $500 damage to
the claimant... Claimant has treated for 16K in meds
and SF is still trying to settle but the claimant's
attorney (can we bash that profession now? )
wants 30K....
I am still standing..... still paying the same rates
for all that's happened in the last 2years..
If you think I get any slack for being a state farm
employee.. think again... I DON'T .. I pay the
same rates as my neighbors.. etc... (this amazes
lots of people to find out that employees do not get
a discount)
I've got a similar circumstance from BEFORE I
was an SF employee.... and I see WAY more
policies than 99% of the people on this list...
It's amazingly frustrating that there are a few
bad situations like Rich Dorffer..... but c'mon..
move on... let's not make *sweeping generalities*
from single instances...
The simple fact is that no one writes and says..
" X insurance company paid me promptly and I was
a claimant.. " or.. I've had 2 DWIs and my
company still carries me.... or...as I just laid out..
I've got 4-5 accidents and 3 tickets and my
insurance company loves me... No.. instead,
most commonly we hear the horror story....
The other simple fact of life is you get what
you pay for" I probably pay a little more than
most people for SF insurance, but I don't lose
any sleep at night when I have to file a claim.
The fact that SF insures just under 30% of
automobiles in the nation is proof positive of this..
I'm pretty much done on this subject, I am
sure that many are tired of it, and for those
who wish to "self insure" by paying for all
their claims themselves while still paying for
auto insurance... hey.. go ahead.. it's your $...
But you will be WAY behind...
Mark Williams
Dallas,. TX
91 ///M3 2.5L
.
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Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:29:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mark and Heather Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
bmwuucdigest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: insurance 101- dispelling the myths..
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- Mark and Heather Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mr. Lawrence,
>
> I stated:
> I know about the tiered rate systems..
> (a lot snipped)
Just so there is no confusion as my name was mentioned twice in Mark's post regarding
my
situation, in my prior post to this subject, I included my agent's name and phone
number. Anyone
is welcome to call him to corroborate my story. I was as surprised as anyone I was
being dropped
for five claims in five years (only one at fault and two of them for windshield claims
that cost
$50 & $60 each and the other two claims related to other people being at fault).
I have no reason to lie about my situation and I am sure it will work out in the end,
I just need
to secure some new coverage before my policy expires in July.
Later,
Rich
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Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:35:59 -0700
From: "J. Ochi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Updating the toolbox
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 10:32 AM 5/21/2004, Marc Plante wrote:
>Re the 7 mm allen for brakes, there's a problam accessing the rears b/c of
>the shocks. You can either get a stubby socket from snap on, or you can
>buy a ratcheting 7/8 mm wrench to put a regular allen socket through to
>make a low clearance device
I used to use a Craftsman 7mm hex socket for the rear brakes on my E36 - it
was a little too long, so I ran into the problem of the ratchet running
into the shock. At the local auto parts store, I found a Lisle 7mm hex
socket that was a little shorter than the Craftsman socket. Since it used
a straight hex instead of the tapered one that Craftsman uses, I cut off
about a quarter inch of the hex part, resulting in a socket that's about
1/2" shorter than the Craftsman socket - works great. And it was a heck of
a lot cheaper than the Snap-On stubby socket....
Jim Ochi
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