The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 122 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Re: water pump mounting bolts....continued Re: water pump mounting bolts....continued Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW> X5 PDC retrofit harness E30 325iX Rubber Components Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) New E30 M3 Evo body shell for sale
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:03:21 -0500 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Gary, I probably should know this, but I don't (and you were probably assuming I did). If the tank style changed in 9/87, then what is all the fuss over 1988 versus 1989 tanks?? Spec E30 was talking about a big difference in fuel starvation between the two ... Agin, if that is the change date, then it would only be very early 1988 tanks VERSUS all 1989-1991 and most 1988 tanks. Yes?? OR, is it that the tank style changed in 9/87 and the 1-pump versus 2-pump style changed somewhat later? I guess all I really care about is whether I can pull a 1989 pump and install it in a 1988 car. If it comes down to month of production, I'll have to go check. Thanks, Stan > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:27:26 -0500 > From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The tank style changed in 9/87. > Gary Derian > > > > > I have a 1989 (1-pump?) parts car -- I suppose that it will NOT be an > > appropriate donor for a fuel pump to a 1988 (2-pump?) car ... > > > > Thanks! > > > > Stan > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 00:03:59 -0500 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am not Gary, but I believe I can answer this. The fuel pump method did indeed change 9/87 at the same time the fuel tank style changed, as Gary stated, from a 55 liter tank to a 63 liter tank. So, if they were trying to correlate a fuel delivery issue to either the fuel tank size or the # of fuel pumps, the date is the same (9/87). I think Spec E30 guys were a little off on their production or chastised all of 1988 for what was probably only ~1 month of production (not sure when 1988 production actually started). Regards, Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stan Jackson Jr. > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem > > > Hey Gary, > > I probably should know this, but I don't (and you were probably assuming I > did). > If the tank style changed in 9/87, then what is all the fuss over 1988 > versus 1989 tanks?? Spec E30 was talking about a big difference in fuel > starvation between the two ... > Agin, if that is the change date, then it would only be very early 1988 > tanks VERSUS all 1989-1991 and most 1988 tanks. Yes?? > > OR, is it that the tank style changed in 9/87 and the 1-pump versus 2-pump > style changed somewhat later? > > I guess all I really care about is whether I can pull a 1989 pump and > install it in a 1988 car. If it comes down to month of production, I'll > have to go check. > > Thanks, > > Stan > > > > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:27:26 -0500 > > From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > The tank style changed in 9/87. > > Gary Derian > > > > > > > > I have a 1989 (1-pump?) parts car -- I suppose that it will NOT be an > > > appropriate donor for a fuel pump to a 1988 (2-pump?) car ... > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Stan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:50:02 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As rich noted. I don't know anything about Spec E30 and the 9/87 date is from the ETK. All my E30s have the later style. It is very clever. The return line from the fuel rail runs through the low point on the driver side. It has a built-in ejector pump and picks up additional fuel on its way to the passenger side. Gary Derian > I am not Gary, but I believe I can answer this. The fuel pump method did > indeed change 9/87 at the same time the fuel tank style changed, as Gary > stated, from a 55 liter tank to a 63 liter tank. So, if they were trying to > correlate a fuel delivery issue to either the fuel tank size or the # of > fuel pumps, the date is the same (9/87). > > I think Spec E30 guys were a little off on their production or chastised all > of 1988 for what was probably only ~1 month of production (not sure when > 1988 production actually started). > > Regards, > > Rich > > > > Hey Gary, > > > > I probably should know this, but I don't (and you were probably assuming I > > did). > > If the tank style changed in 9/87, then what is all the fuss over 1988 > > versus 1989 tanks?? Spec E30 was talking about a big difference in fuel > > starvation between the two ... > > Agin, if that is the change date, then it would only be very early 1988 > > tanks VERSUS all 1989-1991 and most 1988 tanks. Yes?? > > > > OR, is it that the tank style changed in 9/87 and the 1-pump versus 2-pump > > style changed somewhat later? > > > > I guess all I really care about is whether I can pull a 1989 pump and > > install it in a 1988 car. If it comes down to month of production, I'll > > have to go check. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Stan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:16:51 -0500 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks, Rich. My car is 10/87 production, so it should only have 1 pump. That also makes my 1989 parts car a viable donor. I am still wondering what is located under the round access panel on the driver's side under the back seat? The connector looks exactly like the fuel pump connector on the passenger side ... Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I am not Gary, but I believe I can answer this. The fuel pump method did > indeed change 9/87 at the same time the fuel tank style changed, as Gary > stated, from a 55 liter tank to a 63 liter tank. So, if they were trying to > correlate a fuel delivery issue to either the fuel tank size or the # of > fuel pumps, the date is the same (9/87). > > I think Spec E30 guys were a little off on their production or chastised all > of 1988 for what was probably only ~1 month of production (not sure when > 1988 production actually started). > > Regards, > > Rich > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stan Jackson Jr. > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:03 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [UUC] E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem > > > > > > Hey Gary, > > > > I probably should know this, but I don't (and you were probably assuming I > > did). > > If the tank style changed in 9/87, then what is all the fuss over 1988 > > versus 1989 tanks?? Spec E30 was talking about a big difference in fuel > > starvation between the two ... > > Agin, if that is the change date, then it would only be very early 1988 > > tanks VERSUS all 1989-1991 and most 1988 tanks. Yes?? > > > > OR, is it that the tank style changed in 9/87 and the 1-pump versus 2-pump > > style changed somewhat later? > > > > I guess all I really care about is whether I can pull a 1989 pump and > > install it in a 1988 car. If it comes down to month of production, I'll > > have to go check. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Stan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 00:50:04 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stan Jackson Jr.) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From Stan Jackson Jr. > >As per Joe's advice: > >OK, so the pump on the passenger side DOES have power. Bang on the floor, >and the pump will even run for a bit. Car now starts, but won't stay >running long. Seems clear that the pump is near dead. Sounds like you found the problem. >What about the pump on the driver's side? At least it looks like another >in-tank pump?? It does NOT have power when jumpering the fuel pump relay. Is this through another little access panel on the driver side? Is it possible that this other "pump" is the level sender? On my 87 the sender is mounted through the in tank transfer pump. Perhaps this changed when they went to a single pump. The easy way to tell would be look at the connector. Two wires and it is a fuel pump. Three and it is probably the level sender/low fuel switch. More or less than that and you are on your own. Acording to Bentley if you have two pumps, one is on the passenger side and the other is under the car just ahead of the driver side rear tire above the fuel filter. If you don't have that pump up there, then I guess you only have the one pump. >I have a 1989 (1-pump?) parts car -- I suppose that it will NOT be an >appropriate donor for a fuel pump to a 1988 (2-pump?) car ... Once again, acording to Bentley, 1987 was the last of the two pump cars. It should work. -- Joe -- Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... Yet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:19:43 -0500 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On the passenger side (larger, rectangular access panel), there is a two-pronged connector going to the pump, a couple of fuel lines, and a three-pronged plug which I assume (and you seem to concur) is the fuel level sending connector. On the driver's side (smaller, round access panel), there is a two-pronged plug that looks exactly like the fuel pump plug. This plug attaches to what would appear to be a pump ... Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > From Stan Jackson Jr. > >What about the pump on the driver's side? At least it looks like another > >in-tank pump?? It does NOT have power when jumpering the fuel pump relay. > > Is this through another little access panel on the driver side? Is it > possible that this other "pump" is the level sender? On my 87 the sender is > mounted through the in tank transfer pump. Perhaps this changed when they > went to a single pump. The easy way to tell would be look at the connector. > Two wires and it is a fuel pump. Three and it is probably the level > sender/low fuel switch. More or less than that and you are on your own. > > Acording to Bentley if you have two pumps, one is on the passenger side and > the other is under the car just ahead of the driver side rear tire above the > fuel filter. If you don't have that pump up there, then I guess you only > have the one pump. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:25:31 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E30 325i Fuel Delivery Problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That is a fuel level sender. It wires in series with the sender on the passenger side. Since the fuel level on each side of the tank is not fixed, the car needs two senders. Making unfounded guesses and assumptions can lead one into trouble <grin>. Don't be afraid to dig into things to see how they work. If there were a pump on that side, there would also be a fuel hose ... maybe. The early 2 pump systems have one pump inside the tank and the other outside the tank. The inside pump has low pressure and supplies the high pressure pump. Gary Derian > On the passenger side (larger, rectangular access panel), there is a > two-pronged connector going to the pump, a couple of fuel lines, and a > three-pronged plug which I assume (and you seem to concur) is the fuel level > sending connector. On the driver's side (smaller, round access panel), > there is a two-pronged plug that looks exactly like the fuel pump plug. > This plug attaches to what would appear to be a pump ... > > Stan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:14:49 -0800 From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW BMW BMW BMW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: water pump mounting bolts....continued Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Roy wrote that he snapped a water pump mounting bolt. Then Marc wrote: > You can try to cut a slot in the end of the stud with a Dremel > and back it out with a screwdriver, or get yourself a left hand > drill bit--as you run the drill in reverse it will bite into the stud > and back it out. I have had good luck cutting slots in broken bolts to get them out and if I can't get it to come out with a screwdriver I have a screwdriver bit that I can use with a socket wrench or my Makita. Kevin Kelly BMW CCA 50039 Marc '95 325is a few mods. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:45:43 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: water pump mounting bolts....continued Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That works if the threads are loose. If the threads are seized, a screwdriver slot is ineffective. Heat the broken stud with a small oxy-acetylene flame. It will expand and loosen. Then the slot may work. A large propane torch flame will heat the whole area. That may work, but not as well. Gary Derian > Roy wrote that he snapped a water pump mounting bolt. > > Then Marc wrote: > > > You can try to cut a slot in the end of the stud with a Dremel > > and back it out with a screwdriver, or get yourself a left hand > > drill bit--as you run the drill in reverse it will bite into the stud > > and back it out. > > I have had good luck cutting slots in broken bolts to get them out and if I > can't get it to come out with a screwdriver I have a screwdriver bit that I > can use with a socket wrench or my Makita. > > Kevin Kelly > BMW CCA 50039 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:41:49 -0500 From: Dave Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > S5.4.2 Each convex mirror shall have permanently and indelibly >marked at the lower edge of the mirror's reflective surface, in letters >not less than 4.8 mm nor more than 6.4 mm high the words ``Objects in >Mirror Are Closer Than They Appear.'' Except in West Virginia, where rear view mirrors are marked "Objects In Mirror Are Behind You". Dave Meyer 99 328is 03 FLHRI Stafford VA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 18:23:10 +0000 From: "Gregory Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: X5 PDC retrofit harness Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> May help somone, ebay.de auction 2470830426 is for an X5 retrofit PDC (park distance control) harness. You would need the sensors and other parts to complete the installation, so check your ETK or a friend who's already done this. There is a nice site that someone put together to guide you through this. http://www.bmwmotorsports.org/crew/ucrewx5/pdf/X5_pdc_retrofit.pdf I don't know the seller, just passing along helpful info. I'm planning on putting this on the rear of my E30 touring (OK I'm running out of factory option type projects so I need a challenge). Gregory in Geneva _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:41:14 -0500 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: E30 325iX Rubber Components Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey All, I am trying to confirm ALL of the non-solid (rubber, plastic, etc.) components in the 325iX suspension and drivetrain. This might be easy to determine with an ETK, I'm not sure. Anybody that knows this info, thanks in advance! Suspension: Front swaybar bushings Front control arm bushings Front upper strut mounts Rear swaybar bushings Rear shock mounts Rear trailing arm bushings Rear subframe bushings Front and rear swaybar links have some plastic? Drivetrain: 2 motor mounts 1 transfer case mount Rear diff mount Guibo between front driveshaft and front diff Stan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:43:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Brush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Gilbert Hoffman" WROTE: Because we all know the weak drivers on the Parkway are the drivers who leave more than one car length in 75mph traffic. On a related note... I recently read some findings from a study done of NJ drivers. The study put people in front of video screen that depicted traffic as if the subject was behind the wheel. Traffic that met the national standard for "D" (think like school grades) was most often deemed 'light' by NJ drivers in the study. It then went on to say that NJ drivers are used to congestion and that to them what is light would be "D" traffic elsewhere SNIP Gilbert born NJ driver Heh, I was just on the NJTP a few weeks ago visiting my folks in Medford, and noticed the same thing. The traffic on the 'pike was pretty heavy and I was leaving barely over a carlength gap at 80-85, and folks just kept filling it up, then weaving their way down the road. Jeez, in Mass. we just tailgate and have the among the worst accident rates in the country, but NJ drivers are better at filling the empty spaces and getting that little bit ahead... Jon also born NJ driver but living in Mass for last 34 yrs., lost my edge... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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