The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 338 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: <E30> iS rear wing Repair/service manual for X5? PRECISION PERFORMANCE Telephone # IX lust overcomes reason? <misc> turn your bimmer into a hybrid?
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:30:31 -0500 From: "Batt, Jeff (MED)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Marco, I should have mentioned...my M3 has a new themostat as of 8 mo ago too...so it's possible that it's bad, but I wouldn't think very likely... Additionally (And unfortunately), I wasn't on the highway with any wind helping me...I was sitting in traffic while getting a low temp reading...and the gauge didn't seem to move much higher just sitting there...and it's 88 and sunny here today... Good point on the BMW temp gauge quality comment...I'll retract my statement, but maintain that I could find a dozen other examples of higher quality when comparing to (at least my) Jeep. :) Jeff Batt OVC Manager GE Healthcare Ultrasound T 414 647 6593 C 414 550 1652 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gehealthcare.com 4855 W. Electric AV M/D EA54 Milwaukee, WI 53219 GE Medical -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marco Romani Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? More than likely its the thermostat stuck open. - if it runs cooler on the highway or when there is airflow across the radiator and get's hotter while you're idling it's definitely the thermostat. Turning on the AC will actually cause the electric fan to come on and provide cooling to the radiator. You claims of superior engineering is actually BMWs response to people really not being able to read a gauge properly. So the temp signal is sent to the computer that determines whether the temp is in a normal range and then sends the signal to the gauge to display. That 12 o clock positions actually is a pretty large range. I hate those gauges. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Batt, Jeff (MED) Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Hello all, I have a 1995 M3 with 86k on it. On the way back to the office today from lunch, my temp gauge didn't rise to the 12 o'clock position on the gauge. Instead, it rose from cold (cold is roughly at the 10 o'clock position) to about 10:30 or 11 o'clock. The car had ample time to warm up - and in fact, it should have been just about warmed up from driving to lunch. Not sure if this matters, but I did turn on the air cond on the way back to the office. As soon as I noticed the strange temp reading, I turned off the air - but it had no effect. Back at the office parking lot, I popped the hood and checked for obvious issues...didn't see anything and the car didn't seem to be overheating or anything. I've owned this car since 1999 and I'm 99.9% sure that the temp gauge has ALWAYS moved from cold to the 12 o'clock position and then stayed basically "locked" there - no matter what driving or environmental conditions are thrown at it. In fact, when talking to friends, I use this as an example of superior BMW quality as my Jeep's temp gauge jumps all over the place. I changed the water pump/coolant about 8 months ago - and I've had zero issues. Anyone else experience this? Is there a reason the car wouldn't warm up or is it more likely a bad gauge/sensor/connection? I'm assuming that you can't change just this gauge? - but have to replace the whole dash gauge cluster (as I've had done once all ready for a bad speedo)? Thanks! Jeff Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:38:01 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -> -----Original Message----- -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Batt, -> Good point on the BMW temp gauge quality comment...I'll -> retract my statement, but maintain that I could find a dozen -> other examples of higher quality when comparing to (at least -> my) Jeep. :) Would you be willing to say that while sitting in 16inches of mud and 10 miles from the nearest black top road? Lol I agree BMW does indeed shine with great engineering, but they do have their moments of goofs. Mike Many different BMWs over the years 2 Jeep Cherokees that performed better than any BMW for their intended role. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:40:16 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Batt, Jeff \(MED\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's not unheard of for a thermostat to go bad quickly. But considering it is new, my second guess would be the sender. It's kind of a pain to get at since it's under the intake manifold but it can be removed if you're a contortionist and you remove the HFM/airbox/etc. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Batt, Jeff (MED) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:31 PM To: Marco Romani; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Thanks Marco, I should have mentioned...my M3 has a new themostat as of 8 mo ago too...so it's possible that it's bad, but I wouldn't think very likely... Additionally (And unfortunately), I wasn't on the highway with any wind helping me...I was sitting in traffic while getting a low temp reading...and the gauge didn't seem to move much higher just sitting there...and it's 88 and sunny here today... Good point on the BMW temp gauge quality comment...I'll retract my statement, but maintain that I could find a dozen other examples of higher quality when comparing to (at least my) Jeep. :) Jeff Batt OVC Manager GE Healthcare Ultrasound T 414 647 6593 C 414 550 1652 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gehealthcare.com 4855 W. Electric AV M/D EA54 Milwaukee, WI 53219 GE Medical -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marco Romani Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? More than likely its the thermostat stuck open. - if it runs cooler on the highway or when there is airflow across the radiator and get's hotter while you're idling it's definitely the thermostat. Turning on the AC will actually cause the electric fan to come on and provide cooling to the radiator. You claims of superior engineering is actually BMWs response to people really not being able to read a gauge properly. So the temp signal is sent to the computer that determines whether the temp is in a normal range and then sends the signal to the gauge to display. That 12 o clock positions actually is a pretty large range. I hate those gauges. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Batt, Jeff (MED) Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Hello all, I have a 1995 M3 with 86k on it. On the way back to the office today from lunch, my temp gauge didn't rise to the 12 o'clock position on the gauge. Instead, it rose from cold (cold is roughly at the 10 o'clock position) to about 10:30 or 11 o'clock. The car had ample time to warm up - and in fact, it should have been just about warmed up from driving to lunch. Not sure if this matters, but I did turn on the air cond on the way back to the office. As soon as I noticed the strange temp reading, I turned off the air - but it had no effect. Back at the office parking lot, I popped the hood and checked for obvious issues...didn't see anything and the car didn't seem to be overheating or anything. I've owned this car since 1999 and I'm 99.9% sure that the temp gauge has ALWAYS moved from cold to the 12 o'clock position and then stayed basically "locked" there - no matter what driving or environmental conditions are thrown at it. In fact, when talking to friends, I use this as an example of superior BMW quality as my Jeep's temp gauge jumps all over the place. I changed the water pump/coolant about 8 months ago - and I've had zero issues. Anyone else experience this? Is there a reason the car wouldn't warm up or is it more likely a bad gauge/sensor/connection? I'm assuming that you can't change just this gauge? - but have to replace the whole dash gauge cluster (as I've had done once all ready for a bad speedo)? Thanks! Jeff Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:03:37 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Could be that most owners are idiots.....BMW for Dummies anyone? It must be one hell of a signal filter they have there, but without it, they would probably get a million complaints a day. In BMW's, even in cars as old as my E30, this gauge has been reduced to little more than a fancy idiot light. You really don't expect a soccer mom to understand that the temperature of the coolant in her 3 series will vary based on load, airflow, ambient temperature, etc., do you? I heard a guy at lunch the other day talking about towing a small trailer from B'ham to Atlanta with a Buick Regal. Apparently, the tranny was slipping a bit. So he "saved the tranny" for the drive back by turning on the heater. You know, because the transmission is cooled from the same radiator as the engine (his words). Damn, I got to get into the repair business with lemmings like that out there. I can just see a shop when he says what he did & why. "Um, sir, yes running the heat like that in the summer helped your tranny, unfortunately it wasn't good for the radiator (turning to employees shhhh, stop laughing), so we're gonna have to replace it, along with the transmission, and the flux capacitor." It's like the PCs we just got from Dell for one of our projects. It has this configuration program from Dell to set up crap like the clock & some basic stuff in WindowsXP. Basically, "Windows for those who are barely above drooling on themselves...." Later, I was thinking about it, and while it drives people like me up the wall, it probably reduces Dell's service call volume by 90% from questions like, "my clock shows the worng time." Seriously, if you can't do the stuff in this setup, you probably should not have a PC, as you are just inconveniencing it anyway...... Sigh, I suppose this is going to just keep getting worse though as people seem to be getting dumber & dumber everyday. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Lawrence > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 15:36 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? > > > > > -> -----Original Message----- > -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -> You claims of superior engineering is actually BMWs response > -> to people really not being able to read a gauge properly. > -> So the temp signal is sent to the computer that determines > -> whether the temp is in a normal range and then sends the > -> signal to the gauge to display. That 12 o clock positions > -> actually is a pretty large range. > -> > -> I hate those gauges. > -> > -> Marco > > > To add to what Marco said in case you didn't get it clearly. > BMW decide > that we are idiots and should not have a gauge that actually > tells us what > the real temp is. The BMW gauge will sit at the 12 o'clock > position even > when the car is nearing the overheating stage. It is a very > wide range of > temp while it is sitting at 12. Usually when it moves above 12, it is > already overheating as several have noticed when losing a > head gasket. > > I cant remember the exact range but I believe it was in the > 60-90degree > range without moving from 12 while it could vary that much. > > Anyone out there with an aftermarket gauge care to enlighten > us to how much > the temp can fluctuate before the gauge moves from the 12 > o'clock position? > > > Mike > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:09:50 -0500 From: "Batt, Jeff (MED)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To hijack my own post... :) Not to dis Jeeps at all. I have owned 2 Jeep Cherokees and a Grand Cherokee over the past 15 years...Jeeps are a very good value overall...and I must like them since I keep buying them. But I'll be honest, it's a 'bang for the buck' decision in my case. It's just hard to beat what you get for the $$$ when it comes to Jeeps. If I could get BMW feel, quality, engineering, etc with Jeep cargo room, towing and off roading ability for the price of a used grand cherokee...I wouldn't be buying Jeeps anymore. And unfortunately, my Grand is a '95 Lim (that comes stock with full time 4WD with a transfer case that never actually locks) - so in 16 inches of mud, I'd probably be stuck in either vehicle... :( Jeff Batt OVC Manager GE Healthcare Ultrasound T 414 647 6593 C 414 550 1652 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gehealthcare.com 4855 W. Electric AV M/D EA54 Milwaukee, WI 53219 GE Medical -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Lawrence Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? -> -----Original Message----- -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Batt, -> Good point on the BMW temp gauge quality comment...I'll -> retract my statement, but maintain that I could find a dozen -> other examples of higher quality when comparing to (at least -> my) Jeep. :) Would you be willing to say that while sitting in 16inches of mud and 10 miles from the nearest black top road? Lol I agree BMW does indeed shine with great engineering, but they do have their moments of goofs. Mike Many different BMWs over the years 2 Jeep Cherokees that performed better than any BMW for their intended role. Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:40:57 -0700 From: Rex Tener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Rex Tener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:30 PM 8/27/2004 -0500, Batt, Jeff (MED) wrote: > Thanks Marco, > I should have mentioned...my M3 has a new themostat as of 8 mo ago > too...so it's possible that it's bad, but I wouldn't think very > likely... My 1995 M3 went through three or four of them and my 1996 M3 two or three of them. They are junk and it takes a while to find a good one that will last more than a year or so. :-) Rex Tener [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:02:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Robinson, Lee wrote: > I heard a guy at lunch the other day talking about towing a small > trailer from B'ham to Atlanta with a Buick Regal. Apparently, the > tranny was slipping a bit. So he "saved the tranny" for the drive back > by turning on the heater. You know, because the transmission is cooled > from the same radiator as the engine (his words). Ok, perhaps I'm an idiot too, but what's wrong with that theory? I guess I won't bet my life on it, but I could have sworn I'd seen radiators with automatic tranny lines running to them... Dunno that a slipping tranny would be helped by better cooling, but I wouldn't think it'd hurt either. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:35:33 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -> -----Original Message----- -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> You claims of superior engineering is actually BMWs response -> to people really not being able to read a gauge properly. -> So the temp signal is sent to the computer that determines -> whether the temp is in a normal range and then sends the -> signal to the gauge to display. That 12 o clock positions -> actually is a pretty large range. -> -> I hate those gauges. -> -> Marco To add to what Marco said in case you didn't get it clearly. BMW decide that we are idiots and should not have a gauge that actually tells us what the real temp is. The BMW gauge will sit at the 12 o'clock position even when the car is nearing the overheating stage. It is a very wide range of temp while it is sitting at 12. Usually when it moves above 12, it is already overheating as several have noticed when losing a head gasket. I cant remember the exact range but I believe it was in the 60-90degree range without moving from 12 while it could vary that much. Anyone out there with an aftermarket gauge care to enlighten us to how much the temp can fluctuate before the gauge moves from the 12 o'clock position? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:47:10 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think I saw 220 on a VDO gauge during a race before the stock gauge budged from normal. But then I hardly look at the stock gauge anymore. Marco off to drop an S54 radiator into his 95 M3 ;-) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Lawrence Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? -> -----Original Message----- -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> You claims of superior engineering is actually BMWs response -> to people really not being able to read a gauge properly. -> So the temp signal is sent to the computer that determines -> whether the temp is in a normal range and then sends the -> signal to the gauge to display. That 12 o clock positions -> actually is a pretty large range. -> -> I hate those gauges. -> -> Marco To add to what Marco said in case you didn't get it clearly. BMW decide that we are idiots and should not have a gauge that actually tells us what the real temp is. The BMW gauge will sit at the 12 o'clock position even when the car is nearing the overheating stage. It is a very wide range of temp while it is sitting at 12. Usually when it moves above 12, it is already overheating as several have noticed when losing a head gasket. I cant remember the exact range but I believe it was in the 60-90degree range without moving from 12 while it could vary that much. Anyone out there with an aftermarket gauge care to enlighten us to how much the temp can fluctuate before the gauge moves from the 12 o'clock position? Mike Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:09:26 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E30> iS rear wing Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anyone know how the stock E30 325iS wing is attached to the trunk? a bunch of plastic nuts onto studs on the spoiler. there are holes in the decklid. some of the larger M-technic or other spoilers have double-sided tape along the edges as well. Ben M-technic I for the track car, don't care whether it actually does anything, looks neat. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: igor koruga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Repair/service manual for X5? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I just bought 2001 X5 3.0 manual with 32k miles on it, and have few questions: 1.Is there a Bentley manual for X5? (I looked on Bentley site and can't find it) If not, what is good repair/service manual for X5? 2.What DME does `01 3.0 have? (M?.??) 3.I found a site with recalls and TSB for X5 but I am not sure what to do with that info. This is the site: http://www.alldata.com/TSB/06/0106AL44.html I called BMW NA, gave them my VIN and they told me that there aren't any recalls on the vehicle. Do I go to the dealer and bug them about the info from the site? 4.What are good sites about X5 � technical info, maintenance / repairs, etc. (I found few but they don't have `volume' of info)? Thanks, Igor BMW CCA GGC 86 325 01 X5 3.0 _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:54:30 -0400 From: Paul Dunlevy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PRECISION PERFORMANCE Telephone # Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Try AC 336 instead of 910, we lost this one several years back ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:24:09 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IX lust overcomes reason? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:22:01 -0400 (EDT) From: John Drendel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "[uucdigest] list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: IX lust overcomes reason? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John, Good IX story... The IX is a GREAT car... The only problem is that the parts that are IX specific will cost you! Take are look at the IX registry, there are some good articles there.. Also the Yahoo IX group is very active.. A good bunch of people.. Good Luck Mo 98 e36M3 91 325IX 83 323i (project car) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:25:25 -0700 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: <misc> turn your bimmer into a hybrid? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you can buy a hybrid drive of sorts now: http://www.sigmaautomotive.com/electrocharger/electrocharger.php Note that the electric motor in this unit doesn't connect to a fan. :) A 28kW boost at low RPM sure would help a 4 cylinder, ya? Someone should get one and let us know if it's worth it. -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
