The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 500 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Wheels/rims... X3 is E83 M6 Re: M6 Re: M6 Re: M6 Re: M6 Re: M6 Re: M6 Re: <E46> Jump Starting <E30> Door Connector Setting Correction Factor on OBC Re: Setting Correction Factor on OBC Re: Setting Correction Factor on OBC
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:02:49 -0800 From: "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Wheels/rims... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Frank, I have 2 extra 17"x9" rear wheels off my '99 540i/6. They are the ones that came on late '98-'00 6-speeds. If that's what you're looking for let me know. John Kjos '99 540i/6: Dinan S1 (many other mods) '05 X3 3.0L: (stock, orders from mgmt.) Portland, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Travassos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Chris Pawlowicz'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 6:59 AM Subject: [UUC] Wheels/rims... I have a 2000 528i Sport Pkg w/17" 2 piece rims. I need a couple of rims, but do not want to pay the dealer price for them. Anyone know where I can search for used rims??? I have tried the usual suspects, ebay, wheelexchange, etc with no luck... Frank Travassos -----Original Message----- From: Chris Pawlowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:53 AM To: Scott & Charlotte Miller; UUC Digest Subject: Re: [UUC] E30 Central Locking <long> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I hate trying to track down intermittant electrical problems. When it > > Subject vehicle: 1991 325iA 2 door > > Central locking had stopped working. I checked the ETM to see how it what exactly do you mean 'stopped working' ? you move a lock motor (trunk, driver door, passenger door) to lock or unlock and nothing happens? have you checked the big connector between the drivers door and the A pillar ? a little bit of corrosion in that connector can lead to some very weird and wacky action from the locks (from non-functional to disco-lights) the problem with the key not locking the car unless you go all the way to 'double lock' is very common and is most likely (99%) due to the drivers door lock cylinder needing replacement (replacement kit available from BMW for ~$40? including all tumblers to key it to your key). The spring/cam mechanism gets weak. I don't think it's related to your problem *except* the cylinder mechanism also works the double-lock microswitch.. if that's stuck (happened to me) then the lock computer will refuse to lock or unlock anything.. the switch is mounted just above the lock cylinder and can be bent up or down out of the way. chris pawlowicz '89 325i '99 Z3 2.8 Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:08:23 -0800 From: "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: X3 is E83 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don E. You mentioned that you didn't know the model designation for an X3. It is E83. Add that one to your memory bank. BMW reports that the X3 and 6-Series were key factors in an improved bottom line. I bet the cost to manufacturer a $80K 6-series is no greater than for a 5-Series with an additional $20-$25K profit. I know they have to write off development costs over fewer cars, but maybe the 6-Series will outsell the miserable looking (IMHO of course) new 5-Series. John Kjos '99 540i/6: Dinan S1 (many other mods) '05 X3 3.0L: (stock, orders from mgmt.) Portland, OR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:16:50 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I might be way out of date here, but this is the first I've seen of this car. I have only heard about it, but haven't yet seen or read anything. This is the first info I've seen thus far. For your viewing pleasure: http://www.mwerks.com/artman/publish/bmw_news/article_660.shtml Copy and paste the second line of the URL if it overlaps for you. Enjoy! Brian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:06:02 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I wonder how much that sucker costs? I assume that this must be a BMW press release of some sort. I think it's amusing that they mention over & over again about weight savings but never mention the weight of the car. I wonder what the point of using a carbon fibre roof is when the car is weighed down by gazillion-way power seats, probably tons of electronics, etc. Either make a lightweight car or don't. Is it sooooo hard to put a clutch in a car? I know that BMW doesn't care what I think as I can't afford anything BMW makes, but certainly there must be a couple rich folks who prefer a clutch.......besides, maybe I'll want one of these in about 10-15 years & want a nice, easy manual box rather than have to troubleshoot through the myriad of likely unreliable electro-hydraulic non-sense required to replace my perfectly capable left foot. For an example, look at the first recommendation for 15 year old M6's--the first one is to replace the self-levelling shocks..... Albeit the "Accord on steriods" look, it's easily the 2nd best looking car available from BMW right now, behind the M3. The proportions & lines are much more digestable & attractive than the "bangled" cars. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Ruiz > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 02:17 > To: UUC Digest > Subject: [UUC] M6 > > I might be way out of date here, but this is the first I've > seen of this car. I have only heard about it, but haven't > yet seen or read anything. This is the first info I've seen thus far. > > For your viewing pleasure: > http://www.mwerks.com/artman/publish/bmw_news/article_660.shtml > > Copy and paste the second line of the URL if it overlaps for you. > > > Enjoy! > Brian > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the > Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:20:09 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > A lot, if you have to ask.... I am assuming approaching 6 figures. Yea, yea.....that being said, I've managed to squeeze by for the last 6 years on a car that I had to ask "how much?????" > > No one willing to spend the sort of money this M6 costs is > going to want the removal of all the electronic items to get > the weight down to what you deem acceptable (if that is even > possible with all the safety standards to follow). The fact > that they are using state-of-the-art fabrication techniques > to counter the increasing weight is fantastic (but due add to > the overall cost). This seems to be a challenging concept > for you to understand Lee. It isn't like the original M6 was > some sort of lightweight car and this new M6 isn't true to > its heritage or something. The original M6 was a pig by all > standards at that time. A very expensive pig for that matter. I guess more to the point, what's the point of a fiber roof that, no doubt, adds many thousands to the price of the car to achieve what probably amounts to minimal weight savings when the car is already stuffed to the gills with heavy stuff. Why not take the extra 1% of weight & price the car several grand lower. Just seems kinda pointless. I know the E24 was heavy, and I actually feel the same way about both M6's. They're really nice cars--can't imagine much else that would be really nice to ride around in & actually still provide some usability. They are definitely both at the top of the "bling" scale for their era. Provide pretty reasonable performance too. The car is what it is, why spend so much time & effort putting it forward as the lightweight car it isn't. > > If you want a lightweight track car, keep your E30 M3 or buy > a Radical (or whatever lightweight specialty track car you prefer). Yea, but if I could afford one, I'd like a lightweight track car that was fast........Better yet, if it could help out by also providing to work & back duties. > > The fact that a "couple rich folks might prefer a clutch" > doesn't mean that it makes it economically feasible to offer > both the 7 speed SMG and a standard manual gearbox in a car > with such limited production. Be glad that at least the SMG > is offered and that they don't come it automatic only like a > car you so often praise... (and are also fat, expensive pigs > although you apparently prefer the styling). I guess Ben covered why the tranny is like it is.....good luck to all you poor souls who have to service that!!!!! I bet it's more than a couple too...... :) > > Last I knew, Bangle still reigns supreme as this M6 is coming > off the board. So, maybe you want to say "the other bangled > cars"? For that matter, this car looks 99% like the current 6 series. Everyone's entitled to an exception, I guess Chris is too. Maybe it's just the color, but the car in the pix seems to have a little wider fenders & neater front & rear valences.....of course, I can't holistically realize the new 6 yet..... > The new 5 series is definitely a nice looking car, the Z4 is > as well and obviously I like the 3 series. The X series are I already said that the E46 is prolly my favorite 3 body style..... > perfectly acceptable cosmetically, particularly compared to > some other similar cars in that market which are just ugly. I'd forgotten all about the X series, they just get lumped with other SUVs, a segment I don't care that much about & hence don't look that hard. > The only car I don't care for really is the 7 series but then > again, I have never cared for any of the 7 series cars since > they started decades ago. I like the E23's. They are really classic in lines & fit very nicely into the antique category that they are becoming. > > Later, > > Rich Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:36:59 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder how much that sucker costs? A lot, if you have to ask.... I am assuming approaching 6 figures. > I assume that this must be a BMW press > release of some sort. I think it's amusing that they mention over & over > again about weight savings but never mention the weight of the car. I > wonder what the point of using a carbon fibre roof is when the car is > weighed down by gazillion-way power seats, probably tons of electronics, > etc. Either make a lightweight car or don't. No one willing to spend the sort of money this M6 costs is going to want the removal of all the electronic items to get the weight down to what you deem acceptable (if that is even possible with all the safety standards to follow). The fact that they are using state-of-the-art fabrication techniques to counter the increasing weight is fantastic (but due add to the overall cost). This seems to be a challenging concept for you to understand Lee. It isn't like the original M6 was some sort of lightweight car and this new M6 isn't true to its heritage or something. The original M6 was a pig by all standards at that time. A very expensive pig for that matter. If you want a lightweight track car, keep your E30 M3 or buy a Radical (or whatever lightweight specialty track car you prefer). > Is it sooooo hard to put a clutch in a car? I know that BMW doesn't care > what I think as I can't afford anything BMW makes, but certainly there must > be a couple rich folks who prefer a clutch.......besides, maybe I'll want > one of these in about 10-15 years & want a nice, easy manual box rather than > have to troubleshoot through the myriad of likely unreliable > electro-hydraulic non-sense required to replace my perfectly capable left > foot. For an example, look at the first recommendation for 15 year old > M6's--the first one is to replace the self-levelling shocks..... The fact that a "couple rich folks might prefer a clutch" doesn't mean that it makes it economically feasible to offer both the 7 speed SMG and a standard manual gearbox in a car with such limited production. Be glad that at least the SMG is offered and that they don't come it automatic only like a car you so often praise... (and are also fat, expensive pigs although you apparently prefer the styling). > Albeit the "Accord on steriods" look, it's easily the 2nd best looking car > available from BMW right now, behind the M3. The proportions & lines are > much more digestable & attractive than the "bangled" cars. Last I knew, Bangle still reigns supreme as this M6 is coming off the board. So, maybe you want to say "the other bangled cars"? For that matter, this car looks 99% like the current 6 series. The new 5 series is definitely a nice looking car, the Z4 is as well and obviously I like the 3 series. The X series are perfectly acceptable cosmetically, particularly compared to some other similar cars in that market which are just ugly. The only car I don't care for really is the 7 series but then again, I have never cared for any of the 7 series cars since they started decades ago. Later, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:59:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My memory is hazy, but the figures I remember reading (somewhere) are: ~3800 lbs (couple hundred below the M5) ~$85-90k Of course you know the engine specs. While that's not a lightweight car by any means, compared with other cars in its class (Merc CL, upcoming Audi LeMans), it's not bad. Given that the E39 M5 could still handle and run hard at just over 2 tons with "only" 400 hp, this car should be a monster. I hope they make it reliable and get the steering feel right, so I'll still want to buy one in 25 years. :-) I agree with most of Rich's opinions except one: the E38 was, IMHO, the most attractive "large car" ever designed. No other car of that size ever managed to look both so classy and so athletic. If I were to buy a new large sedan now, it'd probably be the long-wheelbase Jag XJ. -tammer <--not in the sedan market --- Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A lot, if you have to ask.... I am assuming approaching > 6 figures. > > No one willing to spend the sort of money this M6 costs > is going to want the removal of all the > electronic items to get the weight down to what you deem > acceptable (if that is even possible with > all the safety standards to follow). The fact that they > are using state-of-the-art fabrication > techniques to counter the increasing weight is fantastic > (but due add to the overall cost). This > seems to be a challenging concept for you to understand > Lee. It isn't like the original M6 was > some sort of lightweight car and this new M6 isn't true > to its heritage or something. The > original M6 was a pig by all standards at that time. A > very expensive pig for that matter. > > If you want a lightweight track car, keep your E30 M3 or > buy a Radical (or whatever lightweight > specialty track car you prefer). > > The fact that a "couple rich folks might prefer a clutch" > doesn't mean that it makes it > economically feasible to offer both the 7 speed SMG and a > standard manual gearbox in a car with > such limited production. Be glad that at least the SMG > is offered and that they don't come it > automatic only like a car you so often praise... (and are > also fat, expensive pigs although you > apparently prefer the styling). > > Last I knew, Bangle still reigns supreme as this M6 is > coming off the board. So, maybe you want > to say "the other bangled cars"? For that matter, this > car looks 99% like the current 6 series. > The new 5 series is definitely a nice looking car, the Z4 > is as well and obviously I like the 3 > series. The X series are perfectly acceptable > cosmetically, particularly compared to some other > similar cars in that market which are just ugly. The > only car I don't care for really is the 7 > series but then again, I have never cared for any of the > 7 series cars since they started decades > ago. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:39:14 -0500 From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lee wrote : > Is it sooooo hard to put a clutch in a car? I know that BMW doesn't care > what I think as I can't afford anything BMW makes, but certainly there must > be a couple rich folks who prefer a clutch have you missed the part of the tech discussion on the new M5 where they explain that in order to have the durability that they require in the 7-speed gearbox they have the gears located all over the place ? as in 1st is in the normal place, but 2nd is two slots over on the top ? (I don't recall the exact details of how they're strewn around the pattern, but it's something like that) so you'd have a completely wacked-out shift pattern if you were to attempt to shift the trans manually, which isn't something they can sell to 99.9999% of customers. given that they don't have infinite money to spend on engineering a unique traditional H-pattern transmission for the car to handle the power, they've offered the SMG and that's that. additionally they know that they lost sales of the E39 M5 due to it not being available with an auto, regardless of how many of the faithful might find the suggestion unpalatable. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:49:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd say the argument was rather, why not accept an incremental (at that level) increase in price to knock 50 lbs out of the best possible location on the car? Cutting 50 lbs on the roof, combined with a lightweight hood/decklid, really lowers the center of gravity and improves the car's handling. Better than chopping 100 lbs out of the lower areas of the passenger compartment. I would be thrilled to see an M6 CSL ... remember the original CSL was a "big" coupe. Cut the electronics, do the hood/decklid in CF, lighten the doors and seats, lift the sound deadening, ditch the run-flats ... probably another 400 lbs in there somewhere. 500 hp and 3400 lbs would be pretty ridiculous. -tammer --- "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess more to the point, what's the point of a fiber > roof that, no doubt, > adds many thousands to the price of the car to achieve > what probably amounts > to minimal weight savings when the car is already stuffed > to the gills with > heavy stuff. Why not take the extra 1% of weight & price > the car several > grand lower. Just seems kinda pointless. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:55:10 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E46> Jump Starting Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> He. And no, he doesn't know, and doesn't need to know. Besides, this is a common intentional mis-spelling, no? I'm not that original. Scott >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:38:59 -0800 >From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: <E46> Jump Starting >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >COW ORKER?� Does she know you're calling her that? > >Marco > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:42 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [UUC] <E46> Jump Starting > > >Thanks to Andre, and even to Lee, for replies on this subject.� It was a >small sampling, but I think the answer is, it is not normal for the dash to >light up like a Christmas tree (or a Festivus pole, even) after a jump >start.� I've asked the cow-orker what the dealer said after the "free >diagnostic". > >Scott Miller >GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:18:06 -0500 (EST) From: tabe johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: <E30> Door Connector Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had flakey power locks for years because of corrosion in this connector. What others have said is true: You can pop the whole connector out of the door frame. When you separate the two halves of the connector, make sure the plastic tabs that hold things together are disengaged. When I took mine apart I thought everything was cool but I ended up messing up the plastic pretty badly because the tabs weren't separated. --tabe johnson No E30s any more [EMAIL PROTECTED] ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:10:40 -0800 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]>, bmw digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Setting Correction Factor on OBC Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Recent threads described hidden codes on the OBC. One entry is to set a correction factor so that the fuel consumption figures have some basis in reality. At first, every time I tried to enter a correction factor in hidden code 20, the number reverted to 1000 when I hit the set/res button. In the past I was going to make this posting, and decided to give it a shot again rather than sounding foolish over something simple. At that time the OBC accepted the rough guess correction factor I entered. Had no idea what I did differently that made the figure be accepted. With an accurate four digit correction factor now ready to enter, I go back and try to enter it, and find that the set/res button reverts the figure back to the previous number again. Is there some trick or other entry or combination of buttons to press that I might have entered accidentally when the OBC accepted the factor before? Tia, Barry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:13:12 -0800 From: Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Setting Correction Factor on OBC Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Quoting JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Is there some trick or other entry or combination of buttons to press > that I might have entered accidentally when the OBC accepted the factor > before? As long as you're sure you've "unlocked" the OBC, what you're doing sounds right. I've had no trouble following the info here: http://www.unofficialbmw.com/repair_faqs/obc.html As a matter of fact, I just changed the correction factor on the M3 earlier this week. Since I don't "lock" the OBC functions, it was fairly easy. Hope that helps, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:25:03 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Setting Correction Factor on OBC Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Recent threads described hidden codes on the OBC. (snipped) There is a specific range that is acceptable (which I don't recall at this moment but it is approximately +-20% of 1,000 if I recall) so if you entering a number outside of that range, it won't work (i.e., if you are trying to adjust going from 17.5# injectors to 24# injectors, it ain't happening). Regards, Rich ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
