The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 436 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Data Request - effects of negative camber Re: Data Request - effects of negative camber Re: V8 E36 Re: V8 E36 Re: V8 E36 Re: V8 E36 Re: Rain-sensing wipers -- Defeated! E30 Camber Questions Re: [e34] idle problems Re: [e34] idle problems Re: Importing non US cars into US questions Re: Importing non US cars into US questions Re: Data Request - effects of negative camber Re: [e34] idle problems
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:28:05 -0800 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Carlos Lopez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E30 Yahoo Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Data Request - effects of negative camber Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carlos, thanks for the guess. I think most the input I get is going to be guesses. But the guesses of a lot of experienced autocrossers is more data than we currently have. Hopefully I'll get a large enough sampling to make the guesses more meaningful. And I'm using this as support for my own estimates. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Lopez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "E30 Yahoo Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [UUC] Data Request - effects of negative camber > --- Scott & Charlotte Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1. When you installed front adjustable camber devices, and after you > > arrived at what you feel is your optimal camber settings, how much of > > a difference in run times did it make? Please include a reference, > > like, for example, "on a 60 second course". > > > > 2. Did you make any other changes at the same time, or was front > > adjustable camber the only mod you made? > > > > 3. What size sway bars are you running? > > > > 4. Year and model BMW on which the mods were made? > > Mine isn't really data, it's more of a guesstimate but I've gotten > pretty good at those. Also autox courses are always different so > unless you can swap in a set of plates in between runs or else adjust > your camber from stock to race in between runs I don't see how you'll > get a definitive number but anywhoo.... > > I feel they're good for at least a second for a 60 second course. > Figure they maybe make a .2 second per corner difference and there are > 5 corners, or a .1 second per corner difference and there are 10 > corners, the 1 second may be conservative. > > On mine I made many changes, to have the adjustable camber plates I > wanted I had to switch to coilover springs, which meant also changing > dampers since I increased the spring rates front and rear. Front > Racing Dynamics sway bar (22mm), rear Suspension techniques sway bar > (19mm). 1991 M3. One of the biggest things I noticed besides the > improved turn in response was that the Miata guy who used to beat me at > every event we ran in, all of a sudden started loosing to me. :-) > > Carlos. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:27:49 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Data Request - effects of negative camber Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Scott & Charlotte Miller wrote: > Carlos, thanks for the guess. I think most the input I get is going > to be guesses. But the guesses of a lot of experienced autocrossers > is more data than we currently have. Hopefully I'll get a large > enough sampling to make the guesses more meaningful. And I'm using > this as support for my own estimates. Well, if guesses are acceptable... :-) I've never run race camber vs. stock camber with stock suspension back to back. That said, I found the best setting on front of our STX '93 325is was around -3 deg w/.25" total toe out. Turn in was pretty good with that setting. We were running -2 deg 0" toe rear (and next would have been going to 1/4" toe in in back to help with some power-on oversteer). Turner front bar (27mm?), using non-M endlinks on stiffest position. Rear bar is Turner 24mm on soft position. 450 lb-in front springs, 500 lb-in rears, older koni singles all around. With a stock car at -.5 or -1 or whatever it is, I'd certainly expect performance to be worse, but it'd probably also depend on a huge number of other things. Forced to guess, I'd say 1 second or so on a longish (50 to 60 second) course. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:20:49 -0500 From: "Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: V8 E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carlos, Have you seen the car in person? Mike -> -----Original Message----- -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlos Lopez -> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:13 AM -> To: Paul Garnier; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> Subject: Re: [UUC] V8 E36 -> -> -> --- Paul Garnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -> > What is the name of his shop? -> -> http://www.nash8503.com/index.html -> -> This is the car that I spoke about. I'm assuming he's an -> enthusiast so therefore doesn't really have a "shop" but I -> see on the site he's going to make conversion kits -> available. His next project is a 318ti. -> -> Carlos. -> -> -> -> -> __________________________________ -> Do you Yahoo!? -> The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! -> http://my.yahoo.com -> -> -> Search the -> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] -> -> -> _____________________________________________________________ -> _____________ -> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of -> the BMW CCA. -> -> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the -> Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 -> . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com -> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:29:19 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: V8 E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just quickly read through the website. a 3.73 LSD out of a explorer for $80! Why do I race BMWs? Marco obviously nuts. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 7:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] V8 E36 Carlos, Have you seen the car in person? Mike -> -----Original Message----- -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlos Lopez -> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:13 AM -> To: Paul Garnier; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> Subject: Re: [UUC] V8 E36 -> -> -> --- Paul Garnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -> > What is the name of his shop? -> -> http://www.nash8503.com/index.html -> -> This is the car that I spoke about. I'm assuming he's an -> enthusiast so therefore doesn't really have a "shop" but I -> see on the site he's going to make conversion kits -> available. His next project is a 318ti. -> -> Carlos. -> -> -> -> -> __________________________________ -> Do you Yahoo!? -> The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! -> http://my.yahoo.com -> -> -> Search the -> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] -> -> -> _____________________________________________________________ -> _____________ -> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of -> the BMW CCA. -> -> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the -> Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 -> . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com -> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:44:12 -0800 (PST) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: V8 E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Carlos, > > Have you seen the car in person? Yes and No. We saw the car, it was on a tow dolly. I did not see the engine. Apparently his g/f was driving the car and confused the gas/brake with the clutch/brake so she wrecked it. The car on the dolly was the one in the website pics but he had already pulled the motor on it to work it over some more. I'm curious could you actually race a car in BMW CR that had a Chevy motor in it? In Super Mod perhaps? I would think one of these suckers done up right could embarrass one of those Yurro motor E36 C-mod cars for about half the $$$. Like Marco said $80 for a diff vs the $1500 that we would have to pay for a stinkin' 3.73. :-) Carlos. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:49:35 -0500 From: "Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: V8 E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just wondering, I have yet to see concrete proof of a running chevy E36. The other website has been around for a few years with no real pics of the car etc. This site also seems to be lacking when it comes to a few of the key problems, like oil pan etc. I have been planning on doing such a conversion myself hopefully in the next year Mike -> -----Original Message----- -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlos Lopez -> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:44 AM -> To: Michael; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> Subject: Re: [UUC] V8 E36 -> -> -> --- Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -> > Carlos, -> > -> > Have you seen the car in person? -> -> Yes and No. We saw the car, it was on a tow dolly. -> -> I did not see the engine. Apparently his g/f was driving -> the car and confused the gas/brake with the clutch/brake so -> she wrecked it. The car on the dolly was the one in the -> website pics but he had already pulled the motor on it to -> work it over some more. -> -> I'm curious could you actually race a car in BMW CR that had -> a Chevy motor in it? In Super Mod perhaps? I would think -> one of these suckers done up right could embarrass one of -> those Yurro motor E36 C-mod cars for about half the $$$. -> -> Like Marco said $80 for a diff vs the $1500 that we would -> have to pay for a stinkin' 3.73. :-) -> -> Carlos. -> -> -> -> __________________________________ -> Do you Yahoo!? -> Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! -> http://my.yahoo.com -> -> -> Search the -> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] -> -> -> _____________________________________________________________ -> _____________ -> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of -> the BMW CCA. -> -> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the -> Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 -> . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com -> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:44:03 -0600 From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rain-sensing wipers -- Defeated! Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> no kidding? the sensitivity wheel now functions as a speed control? that's excellent. while i did finally sort out my wipers (faulty switch), this is really good to know for the next time they go beserk, which will probably be out of warranty. thanks rss >Anyway, to make a long story short, a week ago I simply popped >the cover off the rain-sensor on the windshield, and unplugged >the sensor. This disabled the rain-sensor, and that position on >the stalk is now a standard intermittent setting. Woohoo! I >can't believe I didn't think of trying this before! >Regards, >Steve >2004 330i w/ disabled rain sensor & ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:02:32 -0500 From: Don Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: E30 Camber Questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi I don't AutoX but I club race with a 1988 325IS in the K prepared class. I use the Kmacs up front and from day one (including while this car was still being driven on the street)I ran them knocked in as far negative as they could go. With the lowering effect of Eibach M3 roadrace springs (and now a Turner J Stock suspension) this gave me pretty close to -3 degrees of camber. When looking at the front of this car, this amount of negative camber is very noticeable. The car turns in way better with this setup than before with stock camber. The tire wear from street driving was negligible although I only drove from home to track, but this could be from Boston to Watkins Glen, Mt. Tremblant etc. I know you want hard data but all I can give you is my seat of the pants data. After putting the TMS J Stock suspension in the car I took it to an alignment shop. I asked them to get as much negative camber as they could during the course of the work. They did not understand the Kmacs and I ended up with about -1.8 when they were done. I took the car to a drivers school at NHIS and it would not turn in to save its life (or mine). After one session I came in loosened up the Kmacs and with a large screw driver wrenched them as far to the middle of the car as they would go (the negative direction). Went back out and life was good and the car handled more like a race car. If I had this to do over again I would get camber plates that only adjust camber (like the TMS plates) because the Kmacs also allow caster movement and you don't always want this to change when you are only looking for camber adjustments. For caster I just try and have the Kmacs pushed all the way back towards the rear of the car. The trouble with adjustable suspension is that you need to know what you are doing and have the time to do it. Sometimes I am at a loss in both of these areas. Hope this helps Don Stevenson BMWCCA Boston 1988 325IS KP#49 1987 325IS Street >These questions are directed to autocrossers who have installed front >adjustable camber devices (plates, whatever, I just like the word >"devices") on their BMWs. This is not about the half degree "crash >correction" strut bearings, or even the other fixed offset strut >bearings sold by companies like Ireland and Turner. I'm just >interested in data on front adjustable camber. 1. When you installed front adjustable camber devices, and after you arrived at what you feel is your optimal camber settings, how much of a difference in run times did it make? Please include a reference, like, for example, "on a 60 second course". 2. Did you make any other changes at the same time, or was front adjustable camber the only mod you made? 3. What size sway bars are you running? 4. Year and model BMW on which the mods were made? Thanks, Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA **************************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged or confidential information. Unless you are the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone any information contained in this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the author by replying to this message and then kindly delete the message. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:52:02 -0800 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [e34] idle problems Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 07:32:15PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Gruppe, > > Thanks to Tom for a nice writeup on literally everything to check. > Oddly enough the car 'pulled a Christine' on me this weekend. Started > right up with minor idle hunt, drove it plenty with no stalling or > check engine light. Just offhand, I'd say that it just may be a poor connection somewhere or a sticky idle control. On the other hand, if you notice things like the radio playing for no reason, or the car seems to have 4WD all of a sudden, or you start running cars down at night and smashing them, killing their drivers in horrible gory ways, and the car repairs itself overnight, then you just might have the Christine effect. -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:54:00 -0500 From: CsWs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [e34] idle problems Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Loose/broken oil cap? will also cause engine to hunt. Karl 91 535i FS > > > > Thanks to Tom for a nice writeup on literally everything to check. > > Oddly enough the car 'pulled a Christine' on me this weekend. Started > > right up with minor idle hunt, drove it plenty with no stalling or > > check engine light. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:05:07 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Importing non US cars into US questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gilbert, I would also love to see BMW Diesels imported into the US, I think there's a nascent demand for them. However, the Euro diesels especially those with direct injection are designed to run on low sulpher fuel. We don't yet have that standard in the US. -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:55:06 +0000 From: "Gilbert Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Importing non US cars into US questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kevin wrote: >I would also love to see BMW Diesels imported into the US, I think there's >a nascent demand for >them. Who wouldn't really? When I was a member of the NJ Chapter BMWCCA, we'd visit BMNA headquarters each year. Each year I'd ask about diesels. We'd get the same response which I'll paraphrase to MB sells 4000 diesels a year in the US. If we brought in diesels we'd sell 2000 and they'd sell 2000. I don't buy it. I was checking the web and noticed that BMWNA paid more than $26M in CAFE fines in 2001. A 330d getting ~50mpg hwy could only lessen that figure IMO. >However, the Euro diesels especially those with direct injection are >designed to run on low sulpher fuel. We don't yet have that standard in the >US. Does that only apply to BMW? What about VW/MB diesels? They are selling here and AFAIK, no different than their Euro counterparts. BMW could even sell a diesel X5. The Touareg diesel sold out before they even hit US shores. They are missing an opportunity to get in early as diesel is seeming to rise. Gilbert (would even appreciate a 120d) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:54:23 -0800 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Scott & Charlotte Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Data Request - effects of negative camber Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scott, Are you assessing the advantage of maxing out negative camber, or the advantage of adjustability? Adjustable camber devices won't provide more negative camber than what can be obtained via other means. Track and course conditions vary widely from site to site, and day to day. Being able to dial in the best camber for the temperature/ material/ and cleanliness off the track surface, and speed/ tightness of the course, is an advantage for trackside tweaking. But few among us (definitely not myself) actually know how to figure that out, let alone do it quickly at an event? Adjustability won't allow a car to autocross faster than if it statically already has that optimum setting for the given conditions. Too much day of event futzin' with car adjustments takes the driver away from focusing on their driving. A well dialed in brain in a reasonably well sorted out car will always beat the perfectly dialed in car who's driver didn't have time to walk the course enough because they were too busy adjusting their suspension. Barry Scott & Charlotte Miller wrote: >I hesitate to ask this question, since I'm trying to isolate the >effects of one variable as if dozens of other variables always >remained the same, which, of course, they never do, variables being, >um, variable. But hey, I've gotta start somewhere. This is research >for our 2005 update to the GGC autocross classification system. > >These questions are directed to autocrossers who have installed front >adjustable camber devices (plates, whatever, I just like the word >"devices") on their BMWs. This is not about the half degree "crash >correction" strut bearings, or even the other fixed offset strut >bearings sold by companies like Ireland and Turner. I'm just >interested in data on front adjustable camber. > >1. When you installed front adjustable camber devices, and after you >arrived at what you feel is your optimal camber settings, how much of >a difference in run times did it make? Please include a reference, >like, for example, "on a 60 second course". > >2. Did you make any other changes at the same time, or was front >adjustable camber the only mod you made? > >3. What size sway bars are you running? > >4. Year and model BMW on which the mods were made? > >Thanks, > >Scott Miller >GGC BMW CCA > > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:32:44 -0500 From: "Doug Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [e34] idle problems Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had this happen to me, with the idle being rough and then seeming fine. When I dug around I found that on the big plastic hose that comes from the air filter/air meeter to the engine (feel free to jump in with the right name) the little plastic hose to the idle control (I'm guessing here) had cracked. It seemed like, If I hit a certain bump a gap would open up and the car couldn't idle. If the car was warm, something seemed to keep it close enough so that it would work. I would check that whole thing for cracks. At 135,000miles, mine was pretty brittle. Doug 94 540iA - about to be for sale... Once I fix a couple more things [Attachment of type application/ms-tnef removed.] ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
