The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 590 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger Re: Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger Re: Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger E39 education Re: E39 education Re: Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger FS: E30 M3 low miles Real M Cars Re: Real M Cars Re: Real M Cars Re: Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger Ford ownership concerns.. Re: Ford ownership concerns..
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:53:07 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee SEA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yea, especially those 70's F1 cars that broke dynomometers...... BMW once said in a press release that the 4.6is didn't get an M badge because M cars don't come with automatic transmissions. Some how I remember a supposed M car that came with an autotragic..... (throwing kerosene in Rich's stirred pot) Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Dorffer > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 14:32 > To: Tom Melton; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger > > I was specifically referring to the S54 in my comment. > > Had I been referring to an S14, I would have said "four". > But then again, no real M car has only four cylinders IMO... > > (stirring the pot). > > Later, > > Rich > > --- Tom Melton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So I guess the S14 really was not a Real M either...since > it only has > > four? > > > > -Tom > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/05 11:36 AM >>> > > > > > > Yes, I generally agree, but it doesn't have six throttle > bodies like > > an > > S54 which is what all the > > purists claim is necessary to have an M badge... > > > > > > Search the > > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ____ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the > > BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the > Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:15:52 -0800 From: donna seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Real M cars don't come with automatics... or cupholders! Donna 88 M3, stick, no cupholders 97 332isa, auto, cupholders 89 325i, M bits, stick, no cupholders On 3/16/05 11:53 AM, "Robinson, Lee SEA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yea, especially those 70's F1 cars that broke dynomometers...... > > BMW once said in a press release that the 4.6is didn't get an M badge > because M cars don't come with automatic transmissions. Some how I remember > a supposed M car that came with an autotragic..... > > (throwing kerosene in Rich's stirred pot) > > Lee > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Dorffer >> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 14:32 >> To: Tom Melton; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [UUC] Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger >> >> I was specifically referring to the S54 in my comment. >> >> Had I been referring to an S14, I would have said "four". >> But then again, no real M car has only four cylinders IMO... >> >> (stirring the pot). >> >> Later, >> >> Rich >> >> --- Tom Melton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> So I guess the S14 really was not a Real M either...since >> it only has >>> four? >>> >>> -Tom >>> >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/05 11:36 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, I generally agree, but it doesn't have six throttle >> bodies like >>> an >>> S54 which is what all the >>> purists claim is necessary to have an M badge... >>> >>> >>> Search the >>> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> ____ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, >> founder of the >>> BMW CCA. >>> >>> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of >> the Ultimate >>> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >>> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >>> >> Search the >> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> ____________ >> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of >> the BMW CCA. >> >> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the >> Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >> > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Donna -- Technical Manager for hire http://www.dlseeley.com/resume ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:49:17 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee SEA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> By having multiple throttle bodies, you can do a couple of things. First, you can locate them closer to the head, resulting in a quicker throttle response which is a desirable trait for sports cars. Second, you gain performance through the overall inlet area and better flow into the cylinders due to the basic design. By using 6 (or 4 in the case of the E30 M3) throttle plates, you can gain a total area advantage by sizing them to the intake runners, unless you want to have a huge throttle inlet. Next, what BMW does is dump the air into an intake plenum with properly "tuned" intake horns that are matched to the runners. This means that every cylinder's intake path is the same length (the same idea as a header) from the accumulator. Furthermore, the intake path is a straight as possible which reduces the restriction of flow into the cylinder head. On the other hand, the standard S50/52 has a single large throttle plate that then flares out to the six cylinder intakes. The runners for cylinders 3 & 4 are shorter than those for 1 & 6. Also, the air traveling to cylinders 1 & 6 has to take a 90 degree turn & then a bend back the other way. Basically saying a the M intake is not real useful is the same as saying a header isn't real useful. Yes, you can make the power obviously, but this M intake design is a much more ingenious way to do it. And it's not just power either, it's efficiency--in both performance & packaging. I know a direct correlation can't be made as the US M3 was lower compression than the Euro (either 10.0:1 vs. 10.5:1 or 10.5:1 vs. 11.0:1....I forget exactly), but clearly the Motorsport intake & header design had something (and probably a lot) to do with the 80hp difference between the cars. Yes, you can easily make up the 80hp with forced induction, but you're going to spend a TON of money to make up that 80 hp with cams, head-work, displacement, aftermarket intakes & headers, etc. I'd always bet on the complete package engineering that BMW does. After all, if you start better & then spend the money on the head work, cams, etc you'll still be ahead. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Romani > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:40 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger > > that multiple throttle body stuff is all about drivability > (or so says my head/cam expert). He says he can get the same > power without all that purty stuff, car won't be as nice > driving around town, but for a race car so what. > > Once my new engine is built and broken in I'll post some dyno numbers. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Dorffer > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger > > > --- Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > tho there's no price listed currently, what's the ballpark we're > > looking at for one ? even if it were the full (I think, haven't > > priced out used M coupe in a while) $10k delta between an S52 & S54 > > car, I'd take the S52 car w/blower because it's got more torque and > > doesn't have the awful grey-faced cluster or the stupid > > switch-position moves they made for some reason in the later cars. > > Yes, I generally agree, but it doesn't have six throttle > bodies like an S54 which is what all the purists claim is > necessary to have an M badge... > > :-) > > Later, > > Rich > > '95 330is > '90 325is > '91 318is > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the > Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the > Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:10:39 -0500 From: Matthew Twigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC <[email protected]> Subject: E39 education Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What are some of the better resources for E39 education? I am considering swapping my 2004 Forester XT for an E39. I hear there are some difficulties with the V8s, but the power is quite tempting... I no longer need tremendous power however and a nice 528 or 530 would be welcome. Basically what I am looking for is a touring or a sedan with folding seats. It must be an automatic. I have seen quite a few nice examples here and am considering a trade: http://www.concordmotorsport.com He has a very nice 540ia Sport with folding seats. Could anyone educate me on these? Thanks! -Matt 1991 325iX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:53:00 -0500 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E39 education Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Matt, For all things E39 join this list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39/ and all your questions will be answered. Bill Matthews Hockessin DE 00 M Geeze Some Volvos Other cars > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Twigg > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:11 PM > To: UUC > Subject: [UUC] E39 education > > What are some of the better resources for E39 education? > I am considering swapping my 2004 Forester XT for an E39. > > I hear there are some difficulties with the V8s, but the > power is quite tempting... > I no longer need tremendous power however and a nice 528 or > 530 would be welcome. > Basically what I am looking for is a touring or a sedan with > folding seats. > It must be an automatic. > > I have seen quite a few nice examples here and am considering a trade: > http://www.concordmotorsport.com > He has a very nice 540ia Sport with folding seats. > > Could anyone educate me on these? > > Thanks! > -Matt > 1991 325iX > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:21:34 -0500 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey guys, just to clarify, the supercharger is being made/offered by Josh MacMurray at Eurosport, and is not a "Eurosport/Conforti" product. A little bird told me that Jim Conforti did the tuning on it (completed last April on Neil Simon's car), but it isn't "his" supercharger kit. He has a lot of respect for Josh, and I think Jim would prefer that credit goes to the deserving party. If anyone is anxiously awaiting the release of what does seem to be a cool product, contact Eurosport. By the way, IMHO, for products of this type, I'd rather wait until all the bugs are solved before installing it. Vty, --Dennis (who is admittedly now kinda curious as to how the wife's 528iT would do with a supercharger....) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:34:34 -0500 From: Rob Norwalk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], E36 Racers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Club Racing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, E36M3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FS: E30 M3 low miles Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Posting for a friend...please contact HIM as described below...low miles, and nice owner - Thx, Rob Listing: E30 M3 FS Year: 1991 Model: M3 Body: Coupe Exterior Color: White Interior Color: Grey Transmission: Manual 5 speed Mileage: 56,100 Price: $14,900 OBO Car is in original condition (other than a Dinan Chip). No accidents/No winters. Always garaged/Always Mobil 1. I have owned this car since 1998. It has been to only two Driver's schools in that time. Just purchased a 2003 330i ZHP. VIN on request. Please call or e-mail me for more info. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 260.429.4720 (work) phone: 260.615.1209 (cell after 5 PM EST) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:48:43 -0800 From: "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Real M Cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All, Lee said "I saw some BMW marketing show on speed that said that quad tailpipes were an M car trademark...." That must mean that the E34 M cars were not really M cars. John Kjos '99 540i/6: Dinan S1 (many other mods) '05 X3 3.0L: (stock, orders from mgmt.) Portland, OR __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:54:22 -0800 From: "Paul M. Moriarty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Real M Cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John Kjos writes: > All, > > Lee said "I saw some BMW marketing show on speed that said that quad > tailpipes were an > M car trademark...." > > That must mean that the E34 M cars were not really M cars. > Or E28s for that matter, but at least ours is centered. :) - Paul - '88 M5 '73 02 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:11:00 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee SEA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Real M Cars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > All, > > Lee said "I saw some BMW marketing show on speed that said > that quad tailpipes were an M car trademark...." > > That must mean that the E34 M cars were not really M cars. > > John Kjos > '99 540i/6: Dinan S1 (many other mods) > '05 X3 3.0L: (stock, orders from mgmt.) > Portland, OR Or E30/E36 M3s, E24 m6s or M1s. The same show also indicated that the individual throttle plates was a new development. I remember reading in Crap & Drivel that the E46 M3 was the first M3 to have individual throttle plates, yet more reinforcement that those guys are morons. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:14:26 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Eurosport/Conforti twin screw supercharger Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 3/16/05 2:32 PM, Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I generally agree, but it doesn't have six throttle bodies like an S54 > which is what all the purists claim is necessary to have an M badge... on 3/16/05 2:32 PM, "Tom Melton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I guess the S14 really was not a Real M either...since it only has > four? According to E30 M3 drivers the other two are in their shorts! Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Throttle body deprived 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:16:03 +0000 From: "Vijay Nuthulapaty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Ford ownership concerns.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been, and will continue to be, a BMW owner for a long time and have owned and worked on multiple BMWs (E36s, E30, E38). That said, I need to buy a pickup truck and am thinking of getting a mid to late 90s Ford Ranger and wanted some feedback from the group, mostly regarding maintenance and repairs. What makes the BMW ownership fruitful for me is that there is a large body of information that I can tap into (uucdigest, bimmerforms, roadfly, CCA, etc) and have over the years learned which people and vendors to trust and work with. The problem I see with the Ford is the lack of any such collective information. I have tried looking at some of the forums out there and there is nothing as good as we have for our bimmers. I am guessing this is out of the pride of ownership we feel for our cars that is obviously lacking for a truck like the Ranger. Is there anything that I need to learn before I get into this? I am fairly good with tools, but not so good with diagnostics. The message boards helped me in that regard with my BMWs. I know there is are a lot more manuals, factory literature on the Fords and also cheap parts, but if I am working on the truck all the time, is it really worth it? Any input on this is appreciated, Thank you, Vijay 00 740iL 98 M3/4 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:44:55 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ford ownership concerns.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vijay, Off the top of my head, I can think of several BMW owners on the lists/groups you mentioned that work for Ford or Visteon or own Ford vehicles. (I'm not one of them.) - N. Jay Just out of morbid curiosity, why do you "need" a Ranger or any small truck? *********** > I have been, and will continue to be, a BMW owner for a long time and have > owned and worked on multiple BMWs (E36s, E30, E38). > > That said, I need to buy a pickup truck and am thinking of getting a mid to > late 90s Ford Ranger and wanted some feedback from the group, mostly > regarding maintenance and repairs. > > What makes the BMW ownership fruitful for me is that there is a large body > of information that I can tap into (uucdigest, bimmerforms, roadfly, CCA, > etc) and have over the years learned which people and vendors to trust and > work with. > > The problem I see with the Ford is the lack of any such collective > information. I have tried looking at some of the forums out there and there > is nothing as good as we have for our bimmers. I am guessing this is out of > the pride of ownership we feel for our cars that is obviously lacking for a > truck like the Ranger. > > Is there anything that I need to learn before I get into this? I am fairly > good with tools, but not so good with diagnostics. The message boards helped > me in that regard with my BMWs. I know there is are a lot more manuals, > factory literature on the Fords and also cheap parts, but if I am working on > the truck all the time, is it really worth it? > > Any input on this is appreciated, > > Thank you, > Vijay > 00 740iL > 98 M3/4 > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
