The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 503 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Speed Warning Function Re: Speed Warning Function Re: Speed Warning Function 350z Brakes Re: 350z Brakes Re: M6 Re: G35 Brakes Re: M6 Re: M6 Re: M6 Re: M6 Re: G35 Brakes Re: Re: Rotors
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:14:28 -0800 (PST) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Subject: Re: Speed Warning Function Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I understand that the speedo isn't 100% accurate, but why not base the speed warning on the speed indicated by the speedo? It doesn't make sense to me to have a MORE accurate speed warning system than speedo. Isn't the accuracy of the OBC limited by substantially the same factors as the speedo since they are both obtaining information regarding tire rotation? Is it PURELY by accident that there is EXACTLY a 5 mph difference between the two? -Paul --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Coupla reasonable, real world assumptions: > > 1) Your speedo reads high. > 2) Your OBC is likely more accurate than your > speedo. > > Based on those, your OBC is reasonably correct, and > your > speedo is fast. Others have explained in detail why > the > speedo reads fast. > > Auto gauges are consumer appliances. They are > accurate > to a few percent, and there is no compelling need > for > better accuracy. As long as speedometers are driven > by > axle or drive shaft speed, accuracy is limited by > tire > wear to about 2% at best. > > If you want laboratory accuracy (a fraction of one > percent), > be prepared to pay several thousand dollars more. > > Curt Ingraham > 72 2002tii with 13% fast speedo > Oakland, CA > > Paul wrote: > > When I set the "Speed Limit" function on my > onboard > > computer to 80 mph, the warning doesn't go off > until I > > exceed the limit by exactly 5 mphs. Is is not > that my > > "true" speed is 80 mph when I'm going 85 mph, or > is > > it? If that's the case, then why don't they > simply > > set the speedo to read 80 mph instead of 85mph? > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:43:05 -0500 From: Rob Norwalk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Speed Warning Function Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> YES! It is pure coincidence - could be 3, or 2, or 0 Let it go... Hey, how come Airplanes don't use ABS?! Rob 93 325 02 330 P Kroon wrote: >I understand that the speedo isn't 100% accurate, but >why not base the speed warning on the speed indicated >by the speedo? It doesn't make sense to me to have a >MORE accurate speed warning system than speedo. Isn't >the accuracy of the OBC limited by substantially the >same factors as the speedo since they are both >obtaining information regarding tire rotation? > >Is it PURELY by accident that there is EXACTLY a 5 mph >difference between the two? > >-Paul > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:09:25 -0500 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "P Kroon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Speed Warning Function Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I understand that the speedo isn't 100% accurate, but > why not base the speed warning on the speed indicated > by the speedo? It doesn't make sense to me to have a > MORE accurate speed warning system than speedo. Isn't > the accuracy of the OBC limited by substantially the > same factors as the speedo since they are both > obtaining information regarding tire rotation? Well, I think it is as simple as the "speed warning" is via the OBC, so the speed is based on the "OBC Speed" (as opposed to the speedometer). You can determine what the OBC speed is by resetting the "avg speed" at any point. We already covered why the speedometer is what it is. Personally, based on the reasons the speedometer is calibrated the way that it is, I don't lose much sleep over it and find that the OBC and odometer being accurate are what really matters. Therefore, the OBC doesn't have to accommodate the same reasons that the speedometer is calibrated and it can be more accurate (subject to tire sizes/inflation and it's own calibration). > Is it PURELY by accident that there is EXACTLY a 5 mph > difference between the two? Yes, it is. It is likely off by a different amount at different speeds. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:30:03 -0800 (PST) From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: 350z Brakes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Andrew wrote: "Apparently, this isn't uncommon for these pads. He's also now complaining that his car sounds like a dump truck because of these pads, and he got pretty sudden and bad pad fade somewhere in his third session at Laguna Seca going into turn 11. Apparently brake cooling is very bad on these cars. Someone else took his 350Z's new rear pads down to the backing plate after 2 days of driving school at Buttonwillow in the B or C group." Have you seen the front of a 350z? There is nowhere for air to get into the wheel well or to the brakes. As for the squeal, HP+ are loud. I put some more goop on the back of mine and they are now quite tolerable. I only run them in the back. Hmmmm, that guy at Buttonwillow is either really hard on brakes or he was running the whole track, including Star Mazda, clockwise. I think that configuration is second toughest on brakes after Laguna. Kevin Kelly '91 M5 P.S. I can get 4 track weekends plus street driving with stock Textar pads on my M5 with the 345mm Euro brakes. Good to know it took Nissan 16 years to catch up with BMW's 3.5 in terms of power and they still haven't caught up with the brakes. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:07:23 -0800 (PST) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 350z Brakes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, kjk wrote: > Have you seen the front of a 350z? There is nowhere > for air to get into the wheel well or to the brakes. > As for the squeal, HP+ are loud. I put some more goop > on the back of mine and they are now quite tolerable. > I only run them in the back. Yes, the front does look very closed in. We saw these slats inside the front wheel well, but were told they're used for something else. We did put a healthy amount of copper grease on the back of the plates, but perhaps more's needed. When we bedded the brake pads, the pads were quiet, and apparently started getting noisy after Laguna Seca. > Hmmmm, that guy at Buttonwillow is either really hard > on brakes or he was running the whole track, including > Star Mazda, clockwise. I think that configuration is > second toughest on brakes after Laguna. Yes. It was CW, with the back straight instead of the bus stop, so it wasn't as hard on the brakes as it could have been. I think the car can build up speed very nicely (especially through the esses in either direction), but the brakes may be inadequate. As usual with BW in the fall, it was freaking hot, too. I think California Speedway and probably Las Vegas Motor Speedway are up there with Laguna Seca in terms of brake unfriendliness. > P.S. I can get 4 track weekends plus street driving > with stock Textar pads on my M5 with the 345mm Euro > brakes. Good to know it took Nissan 16 years to catch > up with BMW's 3.5 in terms of power and they still > haven't caught up with the brakes. That sounds about the same for me too. Stock brake system's stock OE pads will go about 3 to 4 track weekends, depending on the track. Rotors will last slighly longer, but I think total parts for both axles are under $250, which seems like quite a deal after seeing what friends with non-BMWs pay. Sometimes it's nice not to have too much power :-). --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:50:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> By "big" I meant relative to other coupes in the lineup. I.e., that era's 6er rather than 3er coupe. At 2,350 lbs, the racing CSL weighed about 200# more than an '02 of similar vintage. A modern M6 CSL could conceivably weigh around 3400#, which would put it on par with the E46 M3, but with 170 hp extra punch--and that's in street trim. All cars are hopelessly heavy when compared with what was on the market 30 years ago. With modern safety regulations, there's little chance for a 300-hp, 2600# car to see production, as nice as that would be. -tammer --- John Drendel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I knew the original "CSL"; the original CSL was a friend > of mine. I guess > it was a big coupe compared to the 2000 CS, but it, and > the 3.0 CS weighed > much less than > the 635 coupe, much less this thing. > > Will I see a model as beautiful as the E9 before I die ? > Not at this > rate. > > "I would be thrilled to see an M6 CSL ... remember the > original CSL was a "big" coupe." > > > > John Drendel > > Departement d'Histoire > Universite du Quebec a Montreal > CP 8888 Succ. "Centreville" > Montreal Qc. Canada H3C 3P8 > 514 987 3000 3687# > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder > of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:18:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: G35 Brakes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have no experience with a portly G35, but here are two data points to consider. Both cars predominantly highway driven. '94 325iC 90k miles, almost all hwy, original brakes just now wearing out (were 1/2 worn at 60k). '00 Jetta 1.8T 4 rotors/pads replaced at 39k miles. The iC accumulated many of its miles on trips from Indiana to Ohio and PA ... flat, fast, and there were times when I would barely touch the brakes in 120 miles of driving. I'd expect 50k miles out of a set of brakes on the street, but sometimes the factory installs crap. Replace with better, and see how it goes. As with most things, YMMV. -tammer --- P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin, > > "Actually, I think 37k is pretty darn good." > Pretty darn good? If 37k is "pretty darn good", > what is prety darn bad? > > I understand that brakes are "consumable" or > "wear-and-tear" items, but technically EVERYTHING on > the car will eventually wear out so the entire car is > a "consumable". Your engine is a "consumable" and > will eventually wear out and need to be replaced. I > suspect, however, that you'd be less than pleased if > you engine wore out in less than 37k highway miles > (however, given your satisfaction with 37k brakes, > maybe you'd just chuck that up to owning a car?). The > focus is not on whether brakes are "consumables" > (there's no denying that they eventually will need to > be replaced), but rather whether the "consumption" is > normal. Is less than 37k miles "normal" for a set of > rotors/pads normal for a car driven on the highway? > Chucking it up to "just part of owning a car" doesn't > explain it to me. > > -Paul > > --- kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Actually, I think 37k is pretty darn good. My wife's > > 323iT gets 30k at the most out of a set of brakes. > > Those were free from BMW for a while but now I do > > them > > myself as BMW charges $600 an axle as well. > > > > The G35 is sports sedan and brakes rather well. > > Brakes > > are consumables and is just part of owning a car. > > Now, > > if they wore out every 10-12k that is a different > > story. I have been on that forum and saw lots of > > posts > > about that. Looks like Infiniti uses a real soft > > compound for those good braking distances. I wonder > > how well it does after 5 stops? > > > > Kevin Kelly > > '91 M5 > > '00 323iT (brake wear indicator just went off, doh) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:35:00 -0800 From: "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lee, If I have my facts straight, there is a clutch in the M6 and other SMG cars. It's just operated electronically. John Kjos '99 540i/6: Dinan S1 (many other mods) '05 X3 3.0L: (stock, orders from mgmt.) Portland, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [UUC] M6 I wonder how much that sucker costs? I assume that this must be a BMW press release of some sort. I think it's amusing that they mention over & over again about weight savings but never mention the weight of the car. I wonder what the point of using a carbon fibre roof is when the car is weighed down by gazillion-way power seats, probably tons of electronics, etc. Either make a lightweight car or don't. Is it sooooo hard to put a clutch in a car? I know that BMW doesn't care what I think as I can't afford anything BMW makes, but certainly there must be a couple rich folks who prefer a clutch.......besides, maybe I'll want one of these in about 10-15 years & want a nice, easy manual box rather than have to troubleshoot through the myriad of likely unreliable electro-hydraulic non-sense required to replace my perfectly capable left foot. For an example, look at the first recommendation for 15 year old M6's--the first one is to replace the self-levelling shocks..... Albeit the "Accord on steriods" look, it's easily the 2nd best looking car available from BMW right now, behind the M3. The proportions & lines are much more digestable & attractive than the "bangled" cars. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Ruiz > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 02:17 > To: UUC Digest > Subject: [UUC] M6 > > I might be way out of date here, but this is the first I've > seen of this car. I have only heard about it, but haven't > yet seen or read anything. This is the first info I've seen thus far. > > For your viewing pleasure: > http://www.mwerks.com/artman/publish/bmw_news/article_660.shtml > > Copy and paste the second line of the URL if it overlaps for you. > > > Enjoy! > Brian > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:39:01 -0800 From: "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tammer, Take a look at the new M-B (something like SLC). It is advertised as a 4-door coupe. That is sooooooo beautiful a sedan. After looking at pix of that car, I'm sure you will have a new standard. John Kjos '99 540i/6: Dinan S1 (many other mods) '05 X3 3.0L: (stock, orders from mgmt.) Portland, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammer Farid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [UUC] M6 My memory is hazy, but the figures I remember reading (somewhere) are: ~3800 lbs (couple hundred below the M5) ~$85-90k Of course you know the engine specs. While that's not a lightweight car by any means, compared with other cars in its class (Merc CL, upcoming Audi LeMans), it's not bad. Given that the E39 M5 could still handle and run hard at just over 2 tons with "only" 400 hp, this car should be a monster. I hope they make it reliable and get the steering feel right, so I'll still want to buy one in 25 years. :-) I agree with most of Rich's opinions except one: the E38 was, IMHO, the most attractive "large car" ever designed. No other car of that size ever managed to look both so classy and so athletic. If I were to buy a new large sedan now, it'd probably be the long-wheelbase Jag XJ. -tammer <--not in the sedan market --- Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A lot, if you have to ask.... I am assuming approaching > 6 figures. > > No one willing to spend the sort of money this M6 costs > is going to want the removal of all the > electronic items to get the weight down to what you deem > acceptable (if that is even possible with > all the safety standards to follow). The fact that they > are using state-of-the-art fabrication > techniques to counter the increasing weight is fantastic > (but due add to the overall cost). This > seems to be a challenging concept for you to understand > Lee. It isn't like the original M6 was > some sort of lightweight car and this new M6 isn't true > to its heritage or something. The > original M6 was a pig by all standards at that time. A > very expensive pig for that matter. > > If you want a lightweight track car, keep your E30 M3 or > buy a Radical (or whatever lightweight > specialty track car you prefer). > > The fact that a "couple rich folks might prefer a clutch" > doesn't mean that it makes it > economically feasible to offer both the 7 speed SMG and a > standard manual gearbox in a car with > such limited production. Be glad that at least the SMG > is offered and that they don't come it > automatic only like a car you so often praise... (and are > also fat, expensive pigs although you > apparently prefer the styling). > > Last I knew, Bangle still reigns supreme as this M6 is > coming off the board. So, maybe you want > to say "the other bangled cars"? For that matter, this > car looks 99% like the current 6 series. > The new 5 series is definitely a nice looking car, the Z4 > is as well and obviously I like the 3 > series. The X series are perfectly acceptable > cosmetically, particularly compared to some other > similar cars in that market which are just ugly. The > only car I don't care for really is the 7 > series but then again, I have never cared for any of the > 7 series cars since they started decades > ago. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:01:24 -0800 (PST) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, John Kjos wrote: > Take a look at the new M-B (something like SLC). It is advertised as a > 4-door coupe. That is sooooooo beautiful a sedan. After looking at pix of > that car, I'm sure you will have a new standard. Do you mean the CLS? I guess it's different strokes for different folks, because I think it looks like a soap bar with 4 wheels. The SL is really nice, especially in red, and seems to be the only good-looking car in their line, but for me, the coupe that makes me weak in the knees is the Aston Martin DB9. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:12:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I agree with Andre. While the CLS is a nice effort, one of the features I dislike on most new cars is the exceedingly high beltline and confinded greenhouse. I also think the CLS headlights are a little over-styled, though the tapered tail is very graceful and the overall shape is pleasing. The E38 is equal parts elegant and menacing, and it's the simplicity of its form that makes it seem smaller than it is. The proportions of it are just "right" for a car of that size, especially in short-wheelbase form. If I had unlimited funds, I'd take a short-wheelbase clone of Rob L.'s Project X, but in black. And I'd retain the stock M-parallel wheels. Of course, that's not the "typical" car choice for my demographic, which is supposed to be buying Scions and lusting after Hummers. And the DB9 is rolling sex, no doubt, but it doesn't fit the "large sedan" qualification. -tammer <--would accept fussy styling wrapped around a 500-hp V10 :-) --- Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, John Kjos wrote: > > Take a look at the new M-B (something like SLC). It is > advertised as a > > 4-door coupe. That is sooooooo beautiful a sedan. After > looking at pix of > > that car, I'm sure you will have a new standard. > > Do you mean the CLS? I guess it's different strokes for > different folks, > because I think it looks like a soap bar with 4 wheels. > The SL is really > nice, especially in red, and seems to be the only > good-looking car in > their line, but for me, the coupe that makes me weak in > the knees is the > Aston Martin DB9. > > --Andre __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:05:03 -0500 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "P Kroon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "kjk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: G35 Brakes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Actually, I think 37k is pretty darn good." > Pretty darn good? If 37k is "pretty darn good", > what is prety darn bad? > > I understand that brakes are "consumable" or > "wear-and-tear" items, but technically EVERYTHING on > the car will eventually wear out so the entire car is > a "consumable". Your engine is a "consumable" and > will eventually wear out and need to be replaced. I > suspect, however, that you'd be less than pleased if > you engine wore out in less than 37k highway miles > (however, given your satisfaction with 37k brakes, > maybe you'd just chuck that up to owning a car?). The > focus is not on whether brakes are "consumables" > (there's no denying that they eventually will need to > be replaced), but rather whether the "consumption" is > normal. Is less than 37k miles "normal" for a set of > rotors/pads normal for a car driven on the highway? > Chucking it up to "just part of owning a car" doesn't > explain it to me. I think Kevin provided his point pretty well though, through his research on forums, he found that 37k was somewhat "normal" for G35s based on "real soft compound for those good braking distances". You yourself said "I've heard from others with G35s that have been city driven, and the pads/rotors are lasting approximately 10-12k miles." So, there you have it. I mean, for example, ask Oldsmobile Alero owners about brakes. Those cars (and their cousins) ate brakes and rotors for lunch every day. I think 30k was good on those cars and less was quite normal. There are plenty examples like this I am sure others are aware of. Another example, I was surprised when my wife's 2000 Accord went through rear wheel bearings in 75k highway miles in 3 1/2 years. But, a search of a few forums turned up other similar data points. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:00:43 -0500 From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Re: Rotors Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> STi has virtually identical brakes as the Evo (Evo uses a marginally wider rotor & pads, diameter is the same). probably similar to the Z car as well. stock rotors are pricey, but as you note with the Stoptech Z rotors, you can get perfectly acceptable replacements for lots less. see if your friend can get something from Carbotech. I find the pads (street-only IIRC, forget the cute cat-based name) I replaced the stock Jurids with (just like BMW OE pads, tons of dust but pretty good performance on track for a stock pad) them & they're wearing & working well. Ben Andre wrote : > Also, subjectively, the car was in general harder to work on, and didn't > seem to have the same level of engineering as our cars. In my brief > survey of other cars which use Brembo BBKs, like the Subaru WRX STi, Mitsu > Evo, Acura TL (!!!), etc. they all look like they use one-piece rotors, > and apparently all have very expensive replacement costs. I think a lot > of owners are going to be surprised to see a racing-sized bill when it > comes time to change their racing-style parts. ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
