The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 834 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <E36> M50 intake Re: <E36> M50 intake FS: Winter Tire - Wheel Package in DC-NoVa Re: <E36> M50 intake Re: <E36> M50 intake For Sale: Group N Struts/Shocks E30 M3 M50 Intake (or complete engine) - For Sale Question about replacement Gearbox
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:47:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul A. Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> M50 intake Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- "Paul A. Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So is this true of all M50 intake manifolds or the OBDI M3 intake > specifically? Can I yank the intake off of my 92 325i and slap it on > my 97 M3 and pick up 10hp?!? Yeah sort of. I don't know for sure but I'd bet there are lines/hoses/etc. type of stuff to deal with but it's all doable. Next year I'll do it on my '98 once I get more specifics, a fellow from the Buckeye Chapt. does these conversions for not too much money. On loss of torque, bah, I wouldn't sweat it. What little time I've spent with this 98 M3 on the track tells me that it already has enough torque, I'd like a little more oomph at higher rpms. Carlos 98 M3 JC intake, Evosport u/d pulleys, Conforti software, UUC TSE exhaust (maybe that's why I think it has tons of torque?) E30 325is much slower :-) __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:36:00 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> M50 intake Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 10/12/05 9:04 PM, "Paul A. Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So is this true of all M50 intake manifolds or the OBDI M3 intake > specifically? Can I yank the intake off of my 92 325i and slap it on my 97 > M3 and pick up 10hp?!? The OBD-1 M3 (95) uses the same intake manifold as the 325i. The OBD-2 M3 (96+) uses the same intake manifold as the 328i. Since the sensor, fuel and vacuum plumbing are different between OBD-1 and -2 you can't just slap the earlier version on, but on the other hand it's not rocket science either. The cleanest and most reliable way is to buy the very nicely engineered adapter kit from Eurosport: <http://www.sharked.com/cam_kits.html>, see last item on page, and here: <http://www.sharked.com/Images/Manifold_Kit/Manifold_Kit.jpg>. These are also the same parts included with the full OBD-2 cam kit: <http://www.sharked.com/Images/cams/Cam_kit_3.2L_Large_1662.jpg>. The KO kit: <http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/engine/manifolds/ko/ko_performance_bmw_par ts_m50_manifold_conversion_kit_e36_m3.htm> seems not to be as tidy (hoses, T-fitting, hose clamps, etc.), at least judging from the photo. Note that their dyno chart is for a supercharged car, so that says nothing one way or the other about a naturally aspirated application. on 10/12/05 9:04 PM, "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd guess the torque loss is way at the low end, below 2000 rpm. I've seen a torque curve for the intake alone and it had a noticeable dip somewhere higher up in the midrange, maybe 3K+, I forget. Might still be worth it for some purposes though? > but to really make the engine sing, an M52/S52 needs more cam. Yep, and other stuff to help the cams along (Euro HFM, 24# injectors, software). Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:10:43 -0400 From: "Lewis, Jules" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: FS: Winter Tire - Wheel Package in DC-NoVa Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a set of four 235/60HR-16 Dunlop Winter Sport M3 tires mounted on 16x7.5 Borbet Type B Silver wheels for sale. Bought from the Tire Rack in 10/03 for the 2001 740i that I no longer own. Used two seasons. Tires and wheels are unblemished. $500 firm. Prefer local sale. Jules Lewis 703-759-9173 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:46:44 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> M50 intake Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not sure if the 92 with the non vanos motor have the same intake as the other M50s. But generally yes - any M50/S50 (same thing) will bolt up to an S52. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul A. Garnier Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <E36> M50 intake So is this true of all M50 intake manifolds or the OBDI M3 intake specifically? Can I yank the intake off of my 92 325i and slap it on my 97 M3 and pick up 10hp?!? Paul A. Garnier FastNetworking 281-827-0725 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <E36> M50 intake OBDI intake manifold swaps give 5rwhp min, some say 10, mostly at higher revs. OBDII compliance is not an issue. Haven't done the conversion yet til some other engine mods are fully worked out, but its in the plans. Drawback is some loss of midrange torque, and the OBDII injector rail cover doesn't fit over the OBDI manifold right. There are website that show steps and parts needed, its not much to gather up, all you need to find is the manifold. What's the link for the KO site? Barry > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [UUC] <E36> M50 intake > > > Guys and Donna/Kathy, > > My son put me onto the KO Performance site. They are offering a refurbed > M50 intake for the M3, but I'm not entirely sold on the performance claims > as I don't see a before and after HP/TQ dyno chart just an after chart. > Anyone made this swap on their M3? If so, I imagine that the work done by > KO is to get the OBC2 compliance correct? Is the power gain real? > > -Kevin > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only > for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have > been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the > intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose > the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the > sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying > to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of > it. Thank you. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:29:06 -0400 From: "Bruno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> M50 intake Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes the '92 non vanos has the same manifold, it is the one I put on my 328i engine in the race car. Bolts right up with minor mods. Bruno Webmaster of the BMW E34 Website: www.bmwe34.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [UUC] <E36> M50 intake > Not sure if the 92 with the non vanos motor have the same intake as the > other M50s. But generally yes - any M50/S50 (same thing) will bolt up to an > S52. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul A. Garnier > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:07 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] <E36> M50 intake > > > So is this true of all M50 intake manifolds or the OBDI M3 intake > specifically? Can I yank the intake off of my 92 325i and slap it on my 97 > M3 and pick up 10hp?!? > > Paul A. Garnier > FastNetworking > 281-827-0725 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] <E36> M50 intake > > OBDI intake manifold swaps give 5rwhp min, some say 10, mostly at higher > revs. OBDII compliance is not an issue. Haven't done the conversion yet > til some other engine mods are fully worked out, but its in the plans. > Drawback is some loss of midrange torque, and the OBDII injector rail cover > doesn't fit over the OBDI manifold right. > There are website that show steps and parts needed, its not much to gather > up, all you need to find is the manifold. > What's the link for the KO site? > > Barry > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:06 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [UUC] <E36> M50 intake > > > > > > Guys and Donna/Kathy, > > > > My son put me onto the KO Performance site. They are offering a refurbed > > M50 intake for the M3, but I'm not entirely sold on the performance claims > > as I don't see a before and after HP/TQ dyno chart just an after chart. > > Anyone made this swap on their M3? If so, I imagine that the work done by > > KO is to get the OBC2 compliance correct? Is the power gain real? > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only > > for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have > > been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the > > intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose > > the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the > > sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying > > to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of > > it. Thank you. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:21:51 -0400 From: "Ken Arutunian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: For Sale: Group N Struts/Shocks E30 M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Selling for a friend. Group N Struts/Shocks recently removed from his E30 M3 race car. Struts and shocks are in excellent working condition. He wants $1600...which also includes the rear shock solid mounts. I have pics if you're interested. Thanks, Ken Arutunian _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:25:38 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: M50 Intake (or complete engine) - For Sale Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All this talk about the HP gains of swapping an M50 intake reminds me that I have a complete M50 engine (95k miles) laying around from a previous project. Engine was running when removed from the chassis and has been stored indoors. Willing to sell just the intake or the complete engine. Open to offers on either. Thanks NOTICE This message and any attachment(s) are for authorized use by the intended recipient(s) only and may contain privileged or confidential information. Unless you are an intended recipient, you may not use, copy, retain, or disclose to anyone any information contained in this message and any attachment(s). If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please immediately contact the sender and delete this message and any attachment(s). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:14:58 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Subject: Question about replacement Gearbox Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a 1996 318 ti Sport that had it's gearbox replaced due to the shift detent defect. The old gearbox was labeled for ATF. Is there any chance that the new one would take another fluid? I have not had a chance to crawl underneeth and check yet...besides I can't remeber which label means which fluid...DOH!!! David in Richmond, VA ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(8 messages) **********
