The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 55 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: 528e Purchase Re: <E36> Thermostat Re: 528e Purchase (OT) "159 mph? That's where we draw the line.." <E36> Water pump Re: <E36> Water pump Question about check engine light codes on a 1993 325i.. Re: Question about check engine light codes on a 1993 325i.. Re: 528e Purchase Re: <E36> Thermostat Re: <E36> Thermostat
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:03:34 -0500 From: "RAGS 535" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 528e Purchase Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wanted to add a small note about oil viscosity;unless you're in a state with very low winter temperatures,I always have used 15/40 wintertime,and 20/50 summertime in high mileage BMW engines.Never showed ANY engine wear,not even in my track cars at 155k.+Just an opinion. RA/Bob G. >From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [UUC] 528e Purchase >Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:00:39 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [216.144.47.97] >Received: from host.bard.net ([208.186.130.196]) by >bay0-mc11-f13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 2 >Feb 2006 22:01:39 -0800 >Received: from uucdigest.com (host.bard.net [127.0.0.1])by host.bard.net >(8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id k13679Oh029759;Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:07:09 >-0800 >Received: from mail1.koalamotorsport.com (mail.koalamotorsport.com >[216.144.2.50])by host.bard.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id >k1366YOh029656for <[email protected]>; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:06:35 >-0800 >Received: from [216.144.47.97] by mail1.koalamotorsport.com (GMS >11.01.3365/NT8427.00.b53810d4) with ESMTP id ttmwweaa for >[email protected]; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:59:21 -0500 >Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.0/248]); Fri, 03 Feb >2006 01:00:40 -0500 >X-Message-Info: UZmYcfFpTCdBUQe97soIatNxanB3l1aM2p8GUZmZVe4= >User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) >X-Accept-Language: en-us, en >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-AuthenticatedSender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 >(host.bard.net [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:07:13 -0800 (PST) >X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by >milter-greylist-2.0.2 (host.bard.net [208.186.130.196]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 >22:06:35 -0800 (PST) >Precedence: bulk >Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2006 06:01:39.0439 (UTC) >FILETIME=[4C6A9FF0:01C62887] > >The "oversize" eccentrics are aftermarket. Maybe "shudder" Bavauto.com or >somesuch. > >Brett Anderson >KMS > > >Ryan Simmons wrote: >>Thanks for the advice Brett. I was thinking that it might be the >>eccentrics, and it sounds like it is only one valve that is tapping, but >>obviously hard to tell. I thought maybe they didn't tighten the eccentric >>on the last valve adjustment, but not sure. What would account for >>"oversized"? Would that be an eccentric that is for the 535i model or >>something else? >>Ryan- >> >> >>>At 210K miles, you may well have worn eccentrics or rocker pads. The >>>eccentrics can be changed easily, the rockers not so easily. But if the >>>rockers are worn, you can buy "oversize" eccentrics to compensate. >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:55:59 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Thermostat Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:52 PM, KMS- Brett Anderson wrote: > I'm assuming, of course, that your post wasn't a cheap shot at KMS, > given that I stated that dealers pay almost $14, that doesn't even > come close to what we pay. Hence, it's one of our lowest profit > parts. It wasn't. > Consumer electronics, of course, run at closer to 200% markup from > what I've seen. > Consumer electronics run 10-40% margins for the manufacturer, depending on distribution model and product. Figure 20% margins for the retailer. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:13:51 -0500 From: Whit Lowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ryan Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: uuc Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: 528e Purchase Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Remember that multiple injectors are firing at once on this car, which creates a relative amount of noise compared to sequential injection. Also, tired injector O rings may transfer more noise to the intake runners than would a fresh set of viton rings. I'm not discounting worn valvetrain issues; but it might be wise to attempt a further isolation of the sound before throwing parts at it, especially given the "faint" nature of the sound. best, whit On 2/3/06, Ryan Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the advice Brett. I was thinking that it might be the > eccentrics, and it sounds like it is only one valve that is tapping, but > obviously hard to tell. I thought maybe they didn't tighten the eccentric > on the last valve adjustment, but not sure. What would account for > "oversized"? Would that be an eccentric that is for the 535i model or > something else? > Ryan- > > > At 210K miles, you may well have worn eccentrics or rocker pads. The > > eccentrics can be changed easily, the rockers not so easily. But if the > > rockers are worn, you can buy "oversize" eccentrics to compensate. > > > > Brett Anderson > > KMS > > > > > > Ryan Simmons wrote: > >> Today I purchased another BMW today. An 87 528e...nothing special. > >> One question I have was with regards to a noise in the head. The car is > >> mechanically sound and has been maintained by a credible mechanic whom I > >> know, but not real well. The noise sounds like the valves need > >> adjustment, but the service records indicate they have been adjusted. > >> The > >> mechanic who adjusted them made a small side note on the invoice that > >> the > >> noise was possibly the rocker pads or rocker bushings. He didn't > >> express > >> any concern to the previous owners about needing to have it fixed right > >> away. My question is if and when I decide to replace this or at least > >> look into it, does the head have to be removed? And, is this a serious > >> problem, or just an annoying one (tick tick tick tick) that will get > >> progressively worse? I am thinking it will only really affect smooth > >> idle > >> and running, but I am unsure. Also, the ticking noise is very faint. > >> Sounds like a Toyota. > >> Thanks in advance, > >> Ryan- > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:18:29 -0500 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ferrari List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "911" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BMW List" <[email protected]> Subject: (OT) "159 mph? That's where we draw the line.." Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boy, these speeders just keep going faster and faster. Going 128 in Nebraska is OK, doing 150 in dad's Porsche is OK, and even going 159 is OK -- if you're a cop. No, no hypocrisy here... Vty, --Dennis 159 mph? That's where we draw the line.. Thu Feb 2, 10:46 AM ET LONDON (Reuters) - A British traffic officer caught driving at 159 mph but cleared by a court of speeding and dangerous driving faces a legal move at the High Court in London Wednesday to convict him. The Attorney General will appeal against the acquittal of constable Mark Milton and seek a High Court order that the advanced police driver should be convicted over his high speed blast in the early hours of December 5, 2003. Milton, a qualified advanced driver, was recorded by an onboard camera in his upgraded unmarked Vauxhall Vectra police car traveling at 91 mph in a 30 mph zone and hitting 159 mph on the M54 motorway. The legal limit in Britain is 70 mph. Milton's defense, accepted by the local judge in May 2005, was that he had taken the car on a test run around Telford, Shropshire, where he was based. The judge said the prosecution had failed to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he had driven dangerously and that the car was being "used for police purposes" when the incident occurred. The ruling prompted outrage in the media and condemnation from motoring groups. Wednesday, lawyers for the Attorney General will argue the district judge erred in law when he made his judgment. -----Original Message----- Subject: MORE - Awesome ruling by judge! Remember the Nebraska Judge that ruled going 128 mph is not necessarily 'Reckless' in and of itself? More good news, in this vein! Vty, --Dennis 27 January 2006 NOT DANGEROUS DRIVING: 21-YEAR-OLD DOING 150MPH IN DAD'S PORSCHE By Richard Smith And Allison Martin A YOUNG driver clocked by police doing nearly 150mph in his dad's Porsche yesterday escaped jail after a judge ruled that his speeding was not dangerous. Carpenter Nicholas Whittle, 21 - driving with no insurance - sped past a patrol car doing more than double the 60mph limit while overtaking. The Vascar speeding device in the police Skoda registered the blue Y-reg Boxster travelling at 149.9mph over a distance of 0.227 miles. But Recorder Caroline Lister threw the case out, saying: "He went fast for a short time only on a straight road with excellent visibility. "I have to rule whether speed alone can be the basis of a dangerous driving case. I reach the conclusion that it cannot." But road safety campaigners blasted her decision. The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents said: "If driving at 150mph isn't dangerous driving we don't know what is." Head of road safety Kevin Clinton said: "If he'd have had an accident at that sort of speed it would almost certainly have been fatal for him or anyone else involved." Road charity group Brake went one step further, saying it would be putting in an official complaint about the ruling. "Our jaws dropped at this case," said chief executive Mary Williams. "It has got to be one of the most horrendous speeding cases ever." Winchester crown court heard Whittle was caught speeding on the "clear and unhampered" A3055 near his home on the Isle of Wight just before 9pm last May 27. Speaking outside court, Whittle, of Totland, who was with his father Colin, 56, said: "I was really pleased with the outcome. It's been very stressful leading up to the case." However, he will now face other charges of driving with excess speed and driving without insurance and could still lose his licence. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:22 AM To: Ferrari List ([EMAIL PROTECTED]); 911 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]); BMW List ([email protected]) Subject: Awesome ruling by judge! Cool! Vty, --Dennis -------------- Nebraska Judge Says 128 mph Not 'Reckless' Wed Dec 7, 4:35 PM ET NEBRASKA CITY, Neb. - Speeding is not necessarily reckless, even at 128 mph, a judge ruled in the case of a motorcyclist who tried to flee from state troopers. With some reluctance, County Judge John Steinheider ruled last week that Jacob H. Carman, 20, was not guilty of reckless driving on Sept. 5, when he was spotted by a trooper who then chased him at the top speed of his cruiser's odometer - 128 mph. "As much as it pains me to do it, speed and speed alone is not sufficient to establish reckless driving," the judge told Carman on Friday. "If you had had a passenger, there would be no question of conviction. If there had been other cars on the roadway, if you would've went into the wrong lane or anything, I would have convicted you." Otoe County prosecutor David Partsch acknowledged that Carman could have been charged with speeding but, "We felt that the manner in which he was operating the motorcycle was reckless." Carman didn't get off entirely. He was fined $300 for expired tags and other violations. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:38:52 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: <E36> Water pump Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I ordered and rcv'd the Graf water pump. It has a brazed impeller. Is this an issue? Does anyone have any history with this type? I haven't had good luck with brazed parts in hot coolant. Being an old lady on this water pump thing, Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:45:45 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> Water pump Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Factory metal impeller M50 pumps are brazed. At least its not forged. Gary Derian > > I ordered and rcv'd the Graf water pump. It has a brazed impeller. Is this > an issue? Does anyone have any history with this type? I haven't had good > luck with brazed parts in hot coolant. > > Being an old lady on this water pump thing, > Kevin > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:51:57 -0500 From: "Chamberlain, Jesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Question about check engine light codes on a 1993 325i.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a question about the check engine light error codes, and using the Pedal Stomp method to check them. I have a 1993 E36 325i with about 178K miles on it. I was getting an error code 1254, for a bad injector #4, so I got used injectors and got them rebuilt through http://www.cruzinperformance.com. They passed after they were rebuilt so I know they are good. I installed them, and the car runs great now, but when I go to check if there are any error codes using the Pedal Stomp method, I get a weird result that I have never seen before. The normal procedure would be that the check engine light would turn off, blink once, go off, and then blink the code, either 1444 if everything was ok, or in my case it was blinking 1254. But now, instead of blinking a code when it should, the check engine light just says on for about 4-5 seconds. Could anyone shed some light as to what is going on, is this normal, or do I need to get the codes cleared? I don't have a Peak tool, but this might be a good time to go buy one. Thanks for the help. Jesse C. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] <E36> Water pump I ordered and rcv'd the Graf water pump. It has a brazed impeller. Is this an issue? Does anyone have any history with this type? I haven't had good luck with brazed parts in hot coolant. Being an old lady on this water pump thing, Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:49:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Question about check engine light codes on a 1993 325i.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Fri, February 3, 2006 10:51 am, Chamberlain, Jesse said: > about 4-5 seconds. Could anyone shed some light as to what is going on, > is this normal, or do I need to get the codes cleared? I don't have a > Peak tool, but this might be a good time to go buy one. If you haven't cleared the fault code itself, then I would guess that is what you are seeing. Merely fixing what caused the fault won't get rid of the CE light. However, some faults, if no longer present, will eventually turn off the CE light after a certain number of start cycles. (Owning a Peake tool, I just clear them myself :-)) Certainly buying a Peake tool is an option, but for a short-term solution, I would bet there's someone in your area who has one and would be able to help reset the CE light. I've done so on occasion (I'm in the SF Bay Area, if that helps you :-)) My 2 cents, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:27:29 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Ryan Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: 528e Purchase Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ryan, the owner's manual has a chart showing what weight of oil should be used, based on the ambient air temperature. 10W-30 is only appropriate for the coldest climates. I don't recall you saying where you're located. If you're in Minnesota or some other such frozen wasteland, 10W-30 is probaby appropriate for winter use. Just switching to an oil with a higher viscosity range might quiet the lifters. Here in the San Francisco Bay Area (Mount Diable foothills, East Bay) I use 15W-50 synthetic year round in our two M20 motors. If I were running dino juice, I'd go with 10W-40 in the winter and 20W-50 in the summer. We see a few 30 deg f nights in the winter, usually higher 30s, and we can get up to 100 deg f in the summer. Don't jump to any conclusions about valve noise until you try the correct weight oil for your area. I wouldn't say that the oil was "poor", just that it was the wrong weight. Yes, using oil that is not the correct weight can result in increased wear. Usually valve train wear in the M20 results in adjuster eccentrics that can no longer adjust the valves to the correct gap. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA "Ryan Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .edu> To [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/02/2006 05:13 cc PM [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject Re: 528e Purchase I just got off the phone with the mechanic who diagnosed the problem and he said the same thing about the injectors. Timing belt, waterpump, motor mounts, window seals and many other things have been replaced in the last two months, and they gave me the reciepts to prove it. The sad thing is, they have been taking the car to a service station to have the oil changed, one of the real bad ones too. The records indicate that they have been running 10/30, but I use 10/40 in my 325e. I think I will switch it since it is about equal mileage (210,000). Perhaps poor oil could have caused some wear in the head??? Thanks, Ryan- <snip> >If it is actually valves and not injectors, rocker removal > does > require the head to be removed. At that point you may as well go for a > whole valve job, IMHO. But you might be surprised at how long the engine > will run making noises like that. What weight of oil is in the engine? <snip> > > HTH, > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > >>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:54:52 -0800 (PST) >>From: "Ryan Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: 528e Purchase >>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>Today I purchased another BMW today. An 87 528e...nothing special. >>One question I have was with regards to a noise in the head. The car is >>mechanically sound and has been maintained by a credible mechanic whom I >>know, but not real well. The noise sounds like the valves need >>adjustment, but the service records indicate they have been adjusted. >> The >>mechanic who adjusted them made a small side note on the invoice that the >>noise was possibly the rocker pads or rocker bushings. He didn't express >>any concern to the previous owners about needing to have it fixed right >>away. My question is if and when I decide to replace this or at least >>look into it, does the head have to be removed? And, is this a serious >>problem, or just an annoying one (tick tick tick tick) that will get >>progressively worse? I am thinking it will only really affect smooth >> idle >>and running, but I am unsure. Also, the ticking noise is very faint. >>Sounds like a Toyota. >>Thanks in advance, >>Ryan- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:37:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Thermostat Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How long has it been that way? Perhaps it went up across the board (I bought several gallons 2 yrs ago at a dealer in Baltimore ... dont' recall if it was Russel or Towson), or maybe they were just selling it at a loss for some promo. <shrug> Oh well. -tammer <--still has 2 gallons left ... --- KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then I guess we're a rip off too, at $22/gallon in our > shop. > > Tammer, I'll take 200 gallons at $11/gallon. I'll even > drive down and > pick it up. > > Given that it costs a BMW dealer is almost $14/gallon and > all..... > > BMW coolant is one of our lowest profit part numbers. > > Brett Anderson > KMS > > > Tammer Farid wrote: > > > > --- KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > >>Use BMW coolant. It's no longer that much more > expensive > >>than the > >>"good" aftermarket coolants and it is the correct > >>formulation for your > >>car. It's all we use in the shop, even though I could > >>double the profit > >>on it if I used a store bought coolant. > > > > > > Unless you buy it from Dreyer & Reinbold in > Indianapolis, > > where they charge $24/gallon. My dad just bought some > > there. I warned him it would be "expensive" (thinking > > $11/gallon, which is about what I pay), and I about > went > > through the roof when he told me what they charged him. > > > Caveat Emptor. > > > > -tammer > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:15:40 -0800 From: Adam Lazur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> Thermostat Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> KMS- Brett Anderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > Then I guess we're a rip off too, at $22/gallon in our shop. More coolant pricing data: I paid $22/gallon (minus 10% bmwcca discount) at BMW of Mountain View this morning. I drank enough of the "only use bmw coolant" koolaid while researching to be prepared to pay around that price. -- Adam Lazur ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(11 messages) **********
