> A troubled kid on the other hand might throw a chair
> through the window then start heaving all their
> belongings out after it (if not themselves). They
> might grab a shard of the glass and use to slash the
> draps and stab their pillows.
Which gets back into my original comments about weapons being
involved. The situation described didn't involve any weapons. The most
destructive behavior described was tossing crap on the floor and
standing on a desk. Boo-hoo. Oh no! A child is on a desk! I need a cop
to fight this battle for me.
> I find the reverse ridiculous - that people have this
> concept that people just magically know how to deal
> with kids and anybody that doesn't is "lazy". To me
> that's the "magic pill" - taking training and learning
> how truly powerless you can be is hardly a magic
> solution.
It has to be taken in context of course. Sure, in a situation that
involves weapons of some kind having someone trained to deal with a
weapon situation is probably a good idea. And I wouldn't object to
people taking training or studying how to better deal with weapon-free
situations, but I find the idea that people could (and I suspect some
people do) think that training for those situations is necessary
honestly disturbing. Do we just start arbitrarily requiring that
everyone be trained to handle any common situation that someone found
unpleasant?
>> > In this specific case I would expect the (multiple)
>> > teachers to be able to handle the problem without
>> > calling outside help. But to say this should always
>> > be the case doesn't seem right to me. I can easily
>> > see scenarios where frustrated adults unable to
>> > control the situation may call the police. Who else
>> > are they going to call, the fire department?
>>
>> In theory possibly paramedics to restrain them if the
>> child was
>> hurting or threatening to hurt themselves.
> Good call - but I'm sure you can see where some people
> see violent behavior and instantly think "police" even
> if that's not the technically correct choice. It's the
> same reason that people see a cat in a tree and think
> "fire department".
Stupid people.
> Think over your life about some of the ridiculous
> things you've seen police called for. Many people,
> when faced with scary or violent situations of any
> ilk first think "police".
I spent a night in jail once. My brother in-law (martial-arts trained
and about twice my weight) heard raised voices in the other room. A TV
tray with a plate of food on it got knocked over accidentally and he
launched into the room on top of me and started punching me in the
face repeatedly (broke my tooth) under the assumption that I was
beating his sister. I spent the night in jail for defending myself
because my ex called 9-11 out of fear for me. I wouldn't have called
myself, I think she overreacted, albeit less so than her brother whom
I count among the "irretreivably stupid". I got to spend the night in
jail with him because I bit his arm when he shoved it in my mouth.
> There's no shame in getting help with your kids if
> you feel you need it. It just seems like you're
> saying there is. People shouldn't EVER feel like
> they're failures if they can't handle everything
> on their own.
Perhaps I'm jaded for not having had that luxury...
As a child my father was distant, violent and drugged (he's still
distant, my suspicion is the other 2 are also consistent), and my
mother expected God to solve all her problems. My sister was my most
responsible guardian until I was in my teens and now I don't talk to
her because she doesn't like the fact that I split up with my ex. She
stays with her husband who allowed their 2 yr old daughter to drown to
death in their bathtub under his "supervision". He left her in the tub
while he went downstairs to smoke a joint with some friends; the
downstairs neighbors were the first people to complain when the water
started leaking into their apartment.
In general life has only become more of a challenge as I've gotten
older. Now that I'm 30 I certainly don't have anyone telling me that
help (for anything) is available, desirable and warranted. Instead I
have threats of jail time for not consistently paying $1,600/mo in
child support for the past 5 years, _especially_ when I've been out of
work (apparently when you're not working you obviously have more money
and don't need the job so you can better afford the drain).
Unfortunately lately I'm aware that there's nothing I can do about the
fact that my ex is now resorting to drugging herself and the kids
(prescription) because she's unhappy.
So yes, personal responsibility is a real issue for me.
"Life sucks, get a fucking helmet."
- Denis Leary
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