Your questions are good ones and I'd like to hear the answers. However, please note that the current proposal does not need board approval. The committee has decided it is sensible to notify the board of intended actions because of some of the concerns raised. The intent is to assure the board that this proposal does not amount to paying for code.
Of course the board may have a different view on this, but that's a conversation some of us will take up on the board list once the proposal lands there. Since the proposal is merely to provide volunteer mentors and volunteer support to interns that come to us via Outreachy there is nothing, IMHO, for the board to approve. Our volunteers are free to spend their volunteer time however they wish. As for the money aspect that is for the sponsors of Outreachy to address with Outreachy. In the current proposal the ASF has nothing to do with it. Ross Sent from my phone, likely while waking down the stars and having a conversation. Sorry about my carelessness, I blame the machines. ________________________________ From: Alex Harui <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:28:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Request for summary update (was Re: Does Outreachy mean we are paying for code? Is that acceptable?) Actually, Sam, that didn't answer my questions at all, but thanks for trying. I see that there are proposals being drafted for approval by the board, so my question to Sage was what kinds of approvals and contracts, if any, were made and signed by other foundations that Outreachy works with. And also, Sage made it sound to me that the applicant/intern makes the final decision on which project to work with which would greatly impact the text of the proposals and the discussion in general about how much the ASF is directing the sponsor's funds. IMO, without knowing the actual approvals/documents that Outreachy needs from the ASF, we can't know what to propose and how difficult it will be to get that approval and/or signature. Or maybe I've missed those specifics in all of these emails. Thanks, -Alex On 7/2/19, 4:18 AM, "Sam Ruby" <[email protected]> wrote: On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:37 AM Alex Harui <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 7/1/19, 6:01 AM, "Sage Sharp" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sponsors fund the Outreachy general fund or a community. Applicants pick > which project to work on. That's been explained elsewhere. > > Hi Sage, > > Mainly for my clarification: By "community" you mean a group like the ASF or other OS Foundations? At Apache we use "community" as the equivalent of "project". And is the "applicant" the intern? I thought the mentors had some say in the matching. > > One other question: Does each "community/foundation" need to make some formal agreement with Outreachy to have its projects find mentors and hopefully interns? Or do sponsors work directly with projects? Perhaps I can help. IBM will specify: $19,500 "Charitable donation for sponsorship of 3 intern(s) for the Apache Software Foundation community projects in the December 2019 Outreachy internship round" Beyond this, IBM will not otherwise participate in the process. Well, some employees might :-), but not as a part of the sponsorship but rather as a part of the ASF. The ASF will need to identify a number of projects for Outreachy to list on their site. It is important that those projects have mentors. For the December round, Outreachy will start accepting applications in September, so we should start encouraging projects to request to be added to the list soonish. I encourage people who are interested in attracting interns to read https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.outreachy.org%2Fmentor%2Fmentor-faq%2F&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C5fbe6e878e564640903608d6fff50575%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636977825156582436&sdata=BxosqdrIfpJPdw7Nt6x%2FCjlRov%2B8FzK4s7oY1D5cB3k%3D&reserved=0 Finally, should the ASF not be able to attract enough interns in the December round, no problem, we will have up to three more chances. From Outreachy's FAQ: Q: If I sponsor a specific FOSS community and that community doesn't find an intern, what happens? A: Sometimes FOSS communities don't have enough applicants, or their best applicant accepts another opportunity. Outreachy will try to encourage applicants towards communities that do not have enough applicants but we cannot guarantee that a community will find a suitable intern. We will use our best efforts to work with the sponsor and use the funds for that particular community or another that the sponsor prefers for two years, after which we'll use them for any Outreachy activity. - Sam Ruby
