On 7/3/19, 1:37 PM, "Ross Gardler" <[email protected]> wrote:
Your questions are good ones and I'd like to hear the answers.
However, please note that the current proposal does not need board
approval. The committee has decided it is sensible to notify the board of
intended actions because of some of the concerns raised. The intent is to
assure the board that this proposal does not amount to paying for code.
That's why I'm asking these questions of Sage/Outreachy. I want to verify that
the committee only needs to notify. If there is some document that Outreachy
needs someone at the ASF to sign before we can start this experiment, I would
argue that the committee needs to shift gears to get that signature now.
-Alex
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From: Alex Harui <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:28:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Request for summary update (was Re: Does Outreachy mean we are
paying for code? Is that acceptable?)
Actually, Sam, that didn't answer my questions at all, but thanks for
trying.
I see that there are proposals being drafted for approval by the board, so
my question to Sage was what kinds of approvals and contracts, if any, were
made and signed by other foundations that Outreachy works with.
And also, Sage made it sound to me that the applicant/intern makes the
final decision on which project to work with which would greatly impact the
text of the proposals and the discussion in general about how much the ASF is
directing the sponsor's funds.
IMO, without knowing the actual approvals/documents that Outreachy needs
from the ASF, we can't know what to propose and how difficult it will be to get
that approval and/or signature.
Or maybe I've missed those specifics in all of these emails.
Thanks,
-Alex
On 7/2/19, 4:18 AM, "Sam Ruby" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:37 AM Alex Harui <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> On 7/1/19, 6:01 AM, "Sage Sharp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Sponsors fund the Outreachy general fund or a community.
Applicants pick
> which project to work on. That's been explained elsewhere.
>
> Hi Sage,
>
> Mainly for my clarification: By "community" you mean a group like
the ASF or other OS Foundations? At Apache we use "community" as the
equivalent of "project". And is the "applicant" the intern? I thought the
mentors had some say in the matching.
>
> One other question: Does each "community/foundation" need to make
some formal agreement with Outreachy to have its projects find mentors and
hopefully interns? Or do sponsors work directly with projects?
Perhaps I can help. IBM will specify:
$19,500 "Charitable donation for sponsorship of 3 intern(s) for
the Apache Software Foundation community projects in the
December 2019 Outreachy internship round"
Beyond this, IBM will not otherwise participate in the process. Well,
some employees might :-), but not as a part of the sponsorship but
rather as a part of the ASF.
The ASF will need to identify a number of projects for Outreachy to
list on their site. It is important that those projects have mentors.
For the December round, Outreachy will start accepting applications in
September, so we should start encouraging projects to request to be
added to the list soonish.
I encourage people who are interested in attracting interns to read
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.outreachy.org%2Fmentor%2Fmentor-faq%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C837310fd977c4d3082ee08d6fff63d09%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636977830425980419&sdata=b1pnnerLcZIqenQdSeXy1nGIpYJjq2qDHe87ExU%2Bavc%3D&reserved=0
Finally, should the ASF not be able to attract enough interns in the
December round, no problem, we will have up to three more chances.
From Outreachy's FAQ:
Q: If I sponsor a specific FOSS community and that community doesn't
find an intern, what happens?
A: Sometimes FOSS communities don't have enough applicants, or their
best applicant accepts another opportunity. Outreachy will try to
encourage applicants towards communities that do not have enough
applicants but we cannot guarantee that a community will find a
suitable intern. We will use our best efforts to work with the sponsor
and use the funds for that particular community or another that the
sponsor prefers for two years, after which we'll use them for any
Outreachy activity.
- Sam Ruby
