The California Survey back in 2012 or so showed that 45% of all EV owners charged from clean energy. A 2016 Survey by Ford showed that 85% of all EV owners charged from clean solar or subscribed for 100% renewables from their grid, or would when it was offered.
To clarify, I'm not talking about what my car does. I am talking about the AVERAGE EV then has more than HALF of them running on 100% clean energy. And of the half that run on the average grid mix (50% fossil fuel) they are only using 1/3rd the actual energy as a gas car, then 50% * 50% * 33% equals about 8% which one can firmly say is the percent of fossil fuel ON AVERAGE being used by all EV's. Not the "mostly run on coal" argument you hear so often. Bob -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cor van de Water via EV Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 1:05 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Cc: Cor van de Water <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again) Ken That is exactly why many residences decide to get solar, to counter the (steep) increase in electric usage and while they are at it, they often cover the house load as well, so using your (slightly flawed) argument, I could say that EVs can cause *less* pollution when many new EV'ers decide to get solar. It is easy go get into very hairy consequences if the premise includes unrelated things... Cor. -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Olum via EV Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 9:37 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Ken Olum Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again) From: Robert Bruninga <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 16:52:46 -0500 if one generates say 10MWhrs per year of solar and use 10MWhars per year of electricity, then 100% of your energy is completely fossil fuel free. I agree that you are entitled to brag that you used no fossil fuels in this case. But now suppose that you trade your electric car for a gas car. You pollute. But you also use, say, 1 MWh less of the energy that you generate. It goes out to the grid instead. Fossil fuel plants don't need to run to generate it. They pollute less. This partly compensates for the additional pollution that you generate with your gas car. The point I'm trying to make is that if you are comparing electric car vs. gas car, you should compare the pollution generated by the car with the pollution generated by producing the electricity, even if you yourself have solar panels. The only way that you should compare the pollution of the gas car against zero for the electric car is if the comparison is (gas car) vs. (electric car and new solar panels to charge it). For example this is the right comparison if you size your PV system to your needs including your cars. Ken _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
