Peter Jones writes: > And such a universe could be emulated > as a running, deterministic process. But > that won't get you into Plato's heaven, > because it is a *running* process -- it is still > dynamic. A recording of the process could > exist in Plato's heaven, but it wouldn't have > all the counterfactuals, so the computationalist > is not required to believe that it contains > any real sentience -- the simulated > beings in it would have no more > consciousness of their own than the characters in a movie! > > Likewise, the computationalist is not > required > to believe that an unexecuted programme is sentient > (even though it has, theoretically, the counterfactuals). > > No-one would believe that a brain-scan, however detailed, > is conscious, so not computationalist, however ardent, > is required to believe that a progamme gathering udston a shelf > is sentient, however good a piece of AI code it is.
Leave aside for the moment the computer running in Platonia and consider a real computer. You say that a computer program is defined in part by its ability to handle counterfactuals, distinguishing it from a mere recording, but it is this distinction with which I have difficulties. The characters in a film are not conscious because the film only simulates external appearance, not because it lacks if-then statements. A film obviously does handle if-then statements, because if the patterns on the film are different the projection on the screen would also be different. A computer program basically does the same thing: it consistently produces a certain output for a certain input. In the MWI of QM a computer program or human mind may have more luxuriant branchings than a recording, but that is just a matter of degree, and in any case there is no reason to suppose that a program is any less valid or less conscious because of the presence or absence of near-copies segregated in parallel universes. In the CI of QM it would be possible to introduce true randomness into a computer program but the same could be done for a recording, and again there is no reason to suppose that a program is any less valid or less conscious because it isn't random. Randomness and/or parallel processes are not a prerequisite for a classical computer to function. You might say that a computer program has a two-way interaction with its environment while a recording does not, but it is easy to imagine a situation where this can be perfectly reproduced by a recording. In run no. 1, you start up the computer program and have a conversation with it. In run no. 2 you start up the computer program and play it the recording of your voice from run no. 1. As far as the program is aware, it receives exactly the same inputs and goes through exactly the same responses on both runs, but one is a recording and the other is not. Run no. 2 is exactly analogous to a film: a fixed input resulting in a fixed output, even though if the input had been different the output would also have been different. I don't see how you could say that the computer is conscious in run no. 1 but not in run no. 2. Stathis Papaioannou _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---