2009/9/23 Flammarion <peterdjo...@yahoo.com>:

>> > > Some people can argue that MGA is not needed. They believe that it is
>> > > obvious that consciousness is not something material at all, and that
>> > > it is a waste of time of both trying to attach consciousness to
>> > > matter, or to argue with those who believes that is possible (with or
>> > > without comp).
>>
>> > But I'll bet they still try to avoid being struck in the head.
>>
>> Good point.  However, Donald Hoffman makes a highly relevant
>> distinction between taking one's experiences literally, and taking
>> them seriously.  I would recommend the following piece, particularly
>> the section on the MUI (Multimodal User Interface):
>>
>> http://www.cogsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/ConsciousRealism2.pdf
>
> That is just rehashed idealism with all the standard problems.

The point is that Brent's comment - like Johnson's 'refutation' of
Berkeley - is ineffectual as a dismissal of Bruno's theoretical
position.  Hoffman gives a neat account of how this might go.  As to
the problems, you pays your money......

David

>
>
>
> On 23 Sep, 16:10, David Nyman <david.ny...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 22, 7:47 pm, Brent Meeker <meeke...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Some people can argue that MGA is not needed. They believe that it is
>> > > obvious that consciousness is not something material at all, and that
>> > > it is a waste of time of both trying to attach consciousness to
>> > > matter, or to argue with those who believes that is possible (with or
>> > > without comp).
>>
>> > But I'll bet they still try to avoid being struck in the head.
>>
>> Good point.  However, Donald Hoffman makes a highly relevant
>> distinction between taking one's experiences literally, and taking
>> them seriously.  I would recommend the following piece, particularly
>> the section on the MUI (Multimodal User Interface):
>>
>> http://www.cogsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/ConsciousRealism2.pdf
>
> That is just rehashed idealism with all the standard problems.
>
> >
>

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