On 23 Sep, 06:59, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> On 22 Sep 2009, at 20:15, Flammarion wrote:
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> > On 22 Sep, 19:08, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 2009/9/22 Flammarion <peterdjo...@yahoo.com>
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> >>> On 22 Sep, 17:52, David Nyman <david.ny...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Sep 22, 4:46 pm, Flammarion <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >>>>> There is no problem attaching consc to PM.
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> >>>> What do you mean by this?
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> >>> since PM notoriously has no intrinisc properties, there is nothing
> >>> to stop qualia being attached to it. If there were, that would
> >>> be a property.
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> >> That's kind of funny you denying any existence to "mathematical"  
> >> existence
> >> and aknowledging at the same time the existence of a "propertyless"  
> >> thing.
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> > *A* propertyless thing is fine. But there is a contradiciton
> > in multiple proeprtiless things
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> Why?

By the Identity of indescernibles, there can only be
one thing that has the empty set as the set of
its properties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_of_indiscernibles

>And what's the relevance of this?

> Actually PM is even more non sensical if it is the lack of property  
> which makes possible to attach qualia to it.
> Why would that piece of matter get the qualia "seeing red", and that  
> other piece of matter having the qualia "seeing blue"?

Why would they get different physical properties?
Answer: starting conditions+physical laws.

Property dualism would require psychophysical laws
as per Chalmers.

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