On Apr 3, 3:56 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi <use...@rudnyi.ru> wrote: > On 03.04.2012 02:06 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Craig Weinberg<whatsons...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> From blindsight, synesthesia, and anosognosia we know that particular > >> qualia are not inevitably associated with the conditions they usually > >> represent for us, so it seems impossible to justify qualia on a > >> functionalist basis. Just as a computer needs no speakers and video > >> screen inside itself, there is no purpose for such a presentation > >> layer within our own mechanism. Of course, even if there were a > >> purpose, there is no hint of such a possibility from mechanism alone. > >> If there was some reason that a bucket of rocks could benefit by some > >> kind of collective 'experience' occurring amongst them, that's a > >> million miles from suspecting that experience could be a conceivable > >> possibility. > > >> Rather than 'consciousness', human beings would benefit evolutionarily > >> much more by just being able to do something mechanically conceivable > >> things like teleport, time travel, or breathe fire. Awareness doesn't > >> even make sense as a possibility. Were we not experiencing it > >> ourselves we could never anticipate any such possibility in any > >> universe. > > > Since there is no evolutionary advantage to consciousness it must be a > > side-effect of the sort of behaviour that conscious organisms display. > > Otherwise, why did we not evolve as zombies? > > The evolutionary advantage of consciousness, according to Jeffrey Gray, > is late-error detection.
Why would a device need to be conscious in order to have late-error detection? As far as ballcocks and electronic sensors, the difference is that they don't assemble themselves. We use their native capacities for purposes that plastic and metal has no way of accessing. The ballcock is only a thing in our world, it doesn't have any world of its own. I think that the molecules that make up the materials have their own world, but it's not likely to be anything like what we could imagine. Maybe all molecules have a collective experience on that microcosmic level, where snapshots of momentary awareness corresponding to change string together centuries of relative inactivity. It is not the fact that matter detects and responds to itself that is in question, it is the presentation of an interior realism which cannot be explained in a mechanistic context. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.