On 15 May 2012, at 17:28, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On May 15, 5:29 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
On 15 May 2012, at 04:48, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On May 14, 2:11 pm, R AM <ramra...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm saying that decision making, learning, and reinforcement are
possible
in a deterministic world, and you are not denying it. I guess our
points of
view are orthogonal.
I am denying that meaningful decisions, learning, or reinforcement
are
possible in a deterministic world.
But a deterministic world, if rich enough to add and multiply, and
thus to contain universal internal observers, leads already to
indeterminist first person realities (even without comp, although it
is simpler to use comp to justify this).
If a wave washes one pile of sand onto another, thereby 'adding' them
together, why does that generate universal internal observers?
Adding is not enough. You need multiplication, and iteration.
Then universal digital creatures appear, by logical consequences, and,
as always, reflect themselves and all universal creatures, digital,
and non digital, which leads them to harder and harder problems and
questions.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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