The hard one to define with falling into circularity is "agent" which is often defined as an entity with free will. To test something you need an operational definition. "Agent" might be defined as an entity with acts unpredictably but purposefully. But both of those are a little fuzzy.

Brent

On 6/2/2012 10:40 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote:
The capacity (which can be defined) of an agent (which can be defined) to be able (which can be defined) to choose (which can be defined) when (which can be defined) presented (which can be defined) with a choice (which can be defined).

Certainly not meaningless.

On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 9:58 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com <mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    On Fri, Jun 1, 2012  Brian Tenneson <tenn...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tenn...@gmail.com>>
    wrote:

        > The fact that free will is debated lends credence to the notion that 
"Free
        will" is not meaningless.  "Free will" has to mean something before it 
can be
        attacked.


    But I'm not saying "free will" does not exist, and I'm not attacking it 
because
    there is nothing to attack, it would be like attacking a duck's "quack". 
I'm saying
    I don't know what the hell you're talking about when you type the ASCII 
characters
    "free will" and neither do you. I'm not saying the idea is wrong, I'm 
saying there
    is no idea there. How do I know this? Because whenever anybody talks about 
"free
    will" the resulting verbiage  is ALWAYS a blizzard of contradictory 
statements,
    circular definitions, vague illusions, pious speeches, and just plain old 
idiocy;
    there is never any substance there. Never.

      John K Clark


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