I don't think any of us qualify since you have to believe and be aware of your belief of
every tautology which means all possible mathematical proofs.
Actually it seems to me that so much self awareness is contrary to the common notion of
'free will'. The feeling of 'free will' comes about because not only or our decisions
unpredictable, they are unpredictable even by us. If you had really complete
self-awareness you could trace your every decision back to various external inputs or
random events and you would be disabused of the feeling that "I could have done otherwise".
Brent
On 6/2/2012 5:59 PM, Brian Tenneson wrote:
How about define agent to be a type 4 agent as explained here:
http://cs.wallawalla.edu/~aabyan/Colloquia/Aware/aware2.html
<http://cs.wallawalla.edu/%7Eaabyan/Colloquia/Aware/aware2.html>
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 5:22 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
The hard one to define with falling into circularity is "agent" which is
often
defined as an entity with free will. To test something you need an
operational
definition. "Agent" might be defined as an entity with acts unpredictably
but
purposefully. But both of those are a little fuzzy.
Brent
On 6/2/2012 10:40 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote:
The capacity (which can be defined) of an agent (which can be defined) to
be able
(which can be defined) to choose (which can be defined) when (which can be
defined) presented (which can be defined) with a choice (which can be
defined).
Certainly not meaningless.
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 9:58 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com
<mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 Brian Tenneson <tenn...@gmail.com
<mailto:tenn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> The fact that free will is debated lends credence to the notion
that
"Free will" is not meaningless. "Free will" has to mean something
before
it can be attacked.
But I'm not saying "free will" does not exist, and I'm not attacking it
because
there is nothing to attack, it would be like attacking a duck's
"quack". I'm
saying I don't know what the hell you're talking about when you type
the ASCII
characters "free will" and neither do you. I'm not saying the idea is
wrong,
I'm saying there is no idea there. How do I know this? Because whenever
anybody
talks about "free will" the resulting verbiage is ALWAYS a blizzard of
contradictory statements, circular definitions, vague illusions, pious
speeches, and just plain old idiocy; there is never any substance
there. Never.
John K Clark
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