I don't think any of us qualify since you have to believe and be aware of your belief of every tautology which means all possible mathematical proofs.

Actually it seems to me that so much self awareness is contrary to the common notion of 'free will'. The feeling of 'free will' comes about because not only or our decisions unpredictable, they are unpredictable even by us. If you had really complete self-awareness you could trace your every decision back to various external inputs or random events and you would be disabused of the feeling that "I could have done otherwise".


Brent

On 6/2/2012 5:59 PM, Brian Tenneson wrote:
How about define agent to be a type 4 agent as explained here:
http://cs.wallawalla.edu/~aabyan/Colloquia/Aware/aware2.html <http://cs.wallawalla.edu/%7Eaabyan/Colloquia/Aware/aware2.html>

On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 5:22 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    The hard one to define with falling into circularity is "agent" which is 
often
    defined as an entity with free will.  To test something you need an 
operational
    definition.  "Agent" might be defined as an entity with acts unpredictably 
but
    purposefully.  But both of those are a little fuzzy.

    Brent


    On 6/2/2012 10:40 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote:
    The capacity (which can be defined) of an agent (which can be defined) to 
be able
    (which can be defined) to choose (which can be defined) when (which can be
    defined)  presented (which can be defined) with a choice (which can be 
defined).

    Certainly not meaningless.

    On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 9:58 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com
    <mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        On Fri, Jun 1, 2012  Brian Tenneson <tenn...@gmail.com
        <mailto:tenn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

            > The fact that free will is debated lends credence to the notion 
that
            "Free will" is not meaningless.  "Free will" has to mean something 
before
            it can be attacked.


        But I'm not saying "free will" does not exist, and I'm not attacking it 
because
        there is nothing to attack, it would be like attacking a duck's 
"quack". I'm
        saying I don't know what the hell you're talking about when you type 
the ASCII
        characters "free will" and neither do you. I'm not saying the idea is 
wrong,
        I'm saying there is no idea there. How do I know this? Because whenever 
anybody
        talks about "free will" the resulting verbiage  is ALWAYS a blizzard of
        contradictory statements, circular definitions, vague illusions, pious
        speeches, and just plain old idiocy; there is never any substance 
there. Never.

          John K Clark


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