Re: free will and mathematics

```How about define agent to be a type 4 agent as explained here:
http://cs.wallawalla.edu/~aabyan/Colloquia/Aware/aware2.html```
```
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 5:22 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  The hard one to define with falling into circularity is "agent" which is
> often defined as an entity with free will.  To test something you need an
> operational definition.  "Agent" might be defined as an entity with acts
> unpredictably but purposefully.  But both of those are a little fuzzy.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On 6/2/2012 10:40 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote:
>
> The capacity (which can be defined) of an agent (which can be defined) to
> be able (which can be defined) to choose (which can be defined) when (which
> can be defined)  presented (which can be defined) with a choice (which can
> be defined).
>
> Certainly not meaningless.
>
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 9:58 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012  Brian Tenneson <tenn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  > The fact that free will is debated lends credence to the notion that
>>> "Free will" is not meaningless.  "Free will" has to mean something before
>>> it can be attacked.
>>
>>
>> But I'm not saying "free will" does not exist, and I'm not attacking it
>> because there is nothing to attack, it would be like attacking a duck's
>> "quack". I'm saying I don't know what the hell you're talking about when
>> you type the ASCII characters "free will" and neither do you. I'm not
>> saying the idea is wrong, I'm saying there is no idea there. How do I know
>> this? Because whenever anybody talks about "free will" the resulting
>> verbiage  is ALWAYS a blizzard of contradictory statements, circular
>> definitions, vague illusions, pious speeches, and just plain old idiocy;
>> there is never any substance there. Never.
>>
>>   John K Clark
>>
>>
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