On 29 Aug 2012, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote:
From experience I know people tend not to adopt it, but let me
recommend a distinction. Moral is what I expect of myself. Ethics
is what I do and what I hope other people will do in their
interactions with other people. They of course tend to overlap
since I will be ashamed of myself if I cheat someone, so it's both
immoral and unethical. But they are not the same. If I spent my
time smoking pot and not working I'd be disappointed in myself, but
it wouldn't be unethical.
I'm not sure I understand. "not working" wouldn't be immoral either.
Disappointing, yes, but immoral?
BTW:
I would not relate pot with not working. Some people don't work and
smoke pot, and then blame pot for their non working, but some people
smokes pot and work very well. The only researcher I knew smoking pot
from early morning to evening, everyday, since hies early childhood,
was the one who published the most, and get the most prestigious post
in the US.
As a math teacher, since I told students that blaming pot will not
been allowed for justifying exam problems, some students realize that
they were using pot to lie to themselves on their motivation for
study. It is so easy.
Likewise, if we were allowed to drive while being drunk, after a while
the number of car accidents due to alcohol would probably diminish a
lot, because the real culprit is not this product or that behavior,
but irresponsibility, which is encouraged by treating adults like
children. I think.
Bruno
On 8/29/2012 8:54 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Not only to lie. In order to commerce and in general to interact,
we need to know what to expect from whom. and the other need to
know what the others expect form me. So I have to reflect on myself
in order to act in the enviromnent of the moral and material
expectations that others have about me. This is the origin of
reflective individuality, that is moral from the beginning..
2012/8/29 meekerdb <[email protected]>
But Craig makes a point when he says computers only deal in words.
That's why something having human like intelligence and
consciousness must be a robot, something that can act wordlessly in
it's environment. Evolutionarily speaking, conscious narrative is
an add-on on top of subconscious thought which is responsible for
almost everything we do. Julian Jaynes theorized that humans did
not become conscious in the modern sense until they engaged in
inter-tribal commerce and it became important to learn to lie.
Brent
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