On 30 Aug 2012, at 19:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/30/2012 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Aug 2012, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote:
From experience I know people tend not to adopt it, but let me
recommend a distinction. Moral is what I expect of myself.
Ethics is what I do and what I hope other people will do in their
interactions with other people. They of course tend to overlap
since I will be ashamed of myself if I cheat someone, so it's both
immoral and unethical. But they are not the same. If I spent my
time smoking pot and not working I'd be disappointed in myself,
but it wouldn't be unethical.
I'm not sure I understand. "not working" wouldn't be immoral
either. Disappointing, yes, but immoral?
In my definition it would be immoral because I expect myself to
work. It's personal. It doesn't imply that it would be immoral for
you to not work. But it would be unethical for you to not work and
to be supported by others. That's the point of making a distinction
between moral (consistent with personal values, 1P) and ethical
(consistent with social values, 3p).
OK, then I disagree (by which I mean that I am OK with you).
By "OK with you" I mean you are free to use personal definition
orthogonal to the use of the majority.
By "orthogonal" I mean ...
I would not relate pot with not working. Some people don't work and
smoke pot, and then blame pot for their non working, but some
people smokes pot and work very well. The only researcher I knew
smoking pot from early morning to evening, everyday, since hies
early childhood, was the one who published the most, and get the
most prestigious post in the US.
But a single example doesn't tell one much about social policy. I
certainly wouldn't conclude that smoking lots of pot will improve
your academic production.
You are right (in the usual sense of the words).
As a math teacher, since I told students that blaming pot will not
been allowed for justifying exam problems, some students realize
that they were using pot to lie to themselves on their motivation
for study. It is so easy.
Likewise, if we were allowed to drive while being drunk, after a
while the number of car accidents due to alcohol would probably
diminish a lot, because the real culprit is not this product or
that behavior, but irresponsibility, which is encouraged by
treating adults like children. I think.
It's also encouraged by being drunk.
True, but I don't see the relevance.
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