On 8/30/2012 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Aug 2012, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote:
From experience I know people tend not to adopt it, but let me recommend a
distinction. Moral is what I expect of myself. Ethics is what I do and what I hope
other people will do in their interactions with other people. They of course tend to
overlap since I will be ashamed of myself if I cheat someone, so it's both immoral and
unethical. But they are not the same. If I spent my time smoking pot and not working
I'd be disappointed in myself, but it wouldn't be unethical.
I'm not sure I understand. "not working" wouldn't be immoral either. Disappointing, yes,
but immoral?
In my definition it would be immoral because I expect myself to work. It's personal. It
doesn't imply that it would be immoral for you to not work. But it would be unethical for
you to not work and to be supported by others. That's the point of making a distinction
between moral (consistent with personal values, 1P) and ethical (consistent with social
values, 3p).
BTW:
I would not relate pot with not working. Some people don't work and smoke pot, and then
blame pot for their non working, but some people smokes pot and work very well. The only
researcher I knew smoking pot from early morning to evening, everyday, since hies early
childhood, was the one who published the most, and get the most prestigious post in the US.
But a single example doesn't tell one much about social policy. I certainly wouldn't
conclude that smoking lots of pot will improve your academic production.
As a math teacher, since I told students that blaming pot will not been allowed for
justifying exam problems, some students realize that they were using pot to lie to
themselves on their motivation for study. It is so easy.
Likewise, if we were allowed to drive while being drunk, after a while the number of car
accidents due to alcohol would probably diminish a lot, because the real culprit is not
this product or that behavior, but irresponsibility, which is encouraged by treating
adults like children. I think.
It's also encouraged by being drunk.
Brent
Bruno
On 8/29/2012 8:54 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Not only to lie. In order to commerce and in general to interact, we need to know
what to expect from whom. and the other need to know what the others expect form me.
So I have to reflect on myself in order to act in the enviromnent of the moral and
material expectations that others have about me. This is the origin of reflective
individuality, that is moral from the beginning..
2012/8/29 meekerdb <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
But Craig makes a point when he says computers only deal in words. That's
why
something having human like intelligence and consciousness must be a robot,
something that can act wordlessly in it's environment. Evolutionarily
speaking,
conscious narrative is an add-on on top of subconscious thought which is
responsible for almost everything we do. Julian Jaynes theorized that
humans did
not become conscious in the modern sense until they engaged in inter-tribal
commerce and it became important to learn to lie.
Brent
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