Hi Alberto G. Corona
Exactly.
The raw perception is also what Peirce calls Firstness.
Secondness is consciousness or internal reflection by mind to "make sense" of
the perception
in terms of what we know.
Then Thirdness should be the recognition or naming of that image.
Roger Clough, [email protected]
9/13/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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But unextended objects according with S. T. Aquinas exist in our mind and are
reasonable, that is they are absent from contradictions, that is according with
the facts of reality, which for Aquinas is part of the Revelation, which has
two sides: the Natural Revelation ( The creation: Nature) and the Written
Revelation: The bible
Many facts of Natural Revelation suggest that the Creator proceed by evolution,
by a complex process called popularly "natural selection", and NS have rules
that affect how behaviours and mental process work in humans and other animals
(according with Aquinas, men and animals share the animal substance). NS
assures that what we perceive is "in relation" a external physical reality, but
it is NOT the external physical reality.
In other words, the architecture of the mind, and the concepts that we manage
are created to deal with the phisical reality trough our mental image of
reality that the mind produces. We can not access the "physical reality"
directly. Therefore every object is first and foremost, mental, included the
extensional objects. The reality is therefore, mental. Therefore, any
definition of Existence and Truth is in terms of mental categories. So both
extensional and unextensional objects are subject of study of a science of the
mind under the hypothesis that the mind and the external reality have such
relation that I expressed, given the facts that Natural Revelation show to
science, And the fact that according with Aquinas, God is perfect and because
it is a perfect being could not falll in irrationalities nor in breakings of
cause-effect. Therefore an evolutionary study of religion is a legitimate part
of Natural Theology.
2012/9/12 Roger Clough <[email protected]>
Hi Alberto G. Corona
Scientific truth is truth about extended (physical) objects
Religious or humanistic truth is truth about inextended (nonphysical) objects.
Period.
Roger Clough, [email protected]
9/12/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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Note that the natural definition of Truth and reality that arises from a
evolutionarily-informed theory of biology psichology and sociology
(sociobiology) is very simple: True and existent is whatever that make
individuals and groups to be successful. Men and women "exist in reality" as
objects of perception because these objects and their behaviours have a big
importance for our survival, so we have specialized circuits for perceiving and
thinking about them. The more circuits for processing something, the more true
and "existent in reality" is.
My social capital psychology theory postulates that we have a way to assess, in
advance, how good the consequences of an idea are for us and for our group.
?his instinctive evaluation determines if an idea is good and therefore, if it
is true(given the above). This evaluation of an idea depend o its intrinsic
explanatory power, but also in how this idea make our ?roup strong and
coordinated in relation with others. This applies to any kind of idea:
scientific, religious or whatever.
Both factors, explanatory power and social capital potential may collide, but
by far the social capital component is the most important in human life. We do
not spent much time discussing about the spin of the electron, because the
explanatory power is easy to assess. But we make wars when there is a collision
of ideas with social capital implied like "all men are equal under the law, the
individual has the right to seek happiness for himself" and "another world of
equality and happiness is possible if we remove the social obstacles for human
development"
?ood and Truth is the same in many phylosophical systems.
A group and its associated beliefs works as an insurance company. In essence
the rational risk analysis of a client before signing a contract with an
insurance company is similar to the evaluation of the beliefs of a
group?lthough in this case it is unconscious and produces sentiments of
conversion, goodness and truthfulness.
2012/9/12 Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]>
There is no difference at all between religious mitifications and other
mitifucatuons . See form, example the paper about Darwin that I posted.
religion is a label that appears when the?ith?s old enough it has enough
believers and the object of mitification is far away in time.
People are reluctant to admit that they have unfounded beliefs. Specially if
they have been educated in the belief that any belief is bad and into the
belied that they have no beliefs. But to have a commong ground of beliefs is a
prerequisite for individual and social life. ? think that my theory of social
capital, mytopoesis and belief and the assimilaion of good and truth is sound
in evolutuionary terms, and provides a factual/operation definition of Truth in
the world of the mind, which is the only world accesible to us.
2012/9/11 Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]>
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> wrote:
> every statement about ?hatever, included "reality" is made with mental
> concepts . ?he definition of truth, reality , factual, religion, depend on
> axioms or unproved statements. I presented a computational-evolutionary,
> falsable, exposition of what religion is: ? part of a wider class of
> phenomenons of "reality construction" and I demonstrated IHMO that no man is
> free from it.
Aspects of religious belief such as mythopoesis, do occur in other
facets of life, such as politics and even science. But what is unique
about religion is that its proponents make factual statements which
they proudly profess to believe in the absence of any supporting
evidence, while disallowing such reasoning for bizarre beliefs
different to their own without any apparent awareness of the
inconsistency.
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Stathis Papaioannou
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