Hi Roger,
Hear Hear! Peirce is the best to see the basic ideas and hints on
how to extend them. ;-)
On 9/13/2012 6:14 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Alberto G. Corona
Exactly.
The raw perception is also what Peirce calls Firstness.
Secondness is consciousness or internal reflection by mind to "make
sense" of the perception
in terms of what we know.
Then Thirdness should be the recognition or naming of that image.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net <mailto:rclo...@verizon.net>
9/13/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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But unextended objects according with S. T. Aquinas exist in our
mind and are reasonable, that is they are absent from
contradictions, that is according with the facts of reality, which
for Aquinas is part of the Revelation, which has two sides: the
Natural Revelation ( The creation: Nature) and the Written
Revelation: The bible
Many facts of Natural Revelation suggest that the Creator proceed
by evolution, by a complex process called popularly "natural
selection", and NS have rules that affect how behaviours and
mental process work in humans and other animals (according with
Aquinas, men and animals share the animal substance). NS assures
that what we perceive is "in relation" a external physical
reality, but it is NOT the external physical reality.
In other words, the architecture of the mind, and the concepts
that we manage are created to deal with the phisical reality
trough our mental image of reality that the mind produces. We can
not access the "physical reality" directly. Therefore every object
is first and foremost, mental, included the extensional objects.
The reality is therefore, mental. Therefore, any definition of
Existence and Truth is in terms of mental categories. So both
extensional and unextensional objects are subject of study of a
science of the mind under the hypothesis that the mind and the
external reality have such relation that I expressed, given the
facts that Natural Revelation show to science, And the fact that
according with Aquinas, God is perfect and because it is a perfect
being could not falll in irrationalities nor in breakings of
cause-effect. Therefore an evolutionary study of religion is a
legitimate part of Natural Theology.
2012/9/12 Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net
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Hi Alberto G. Corona
Scientific truth is truth about extended (physical) objects
Religious or humanistic truth is truth about inextended
(nonphysical) objects.
Period.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net <mailto:rclo...@verizon.net>
9/12/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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*Time:* 2012-09-12, 07:22:14
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Note that the natural definition of Truth and reality that
arises from a evolutionarily-informed theory of biology
psichology and sociology (sociobiology) is very simple:
True and existent is whatever that make individuals and
groups to be successful. Men and women "exist in reality"
as objects of perception because these objects and their
behaviours have a big importance for our survival, so we
have specialized circuits for perceiving and thinking
about them. The more circuits for processing something,
the more true and "existent in reality" is.
My social capital psychology theory postulates that we
have a way to assess, in advance, how good the
consequences of an idea are for us and for our group.
燭his instinctive evaluation determines if an idea is good
and therefore, if it is true(given the above). This
evaluation of an idea depend o its intrinsic explanatory
power, but also in how this idea make our 爂roup strong
and coordinated in relation with others. This applies to
any kind of idea: scientific, religious or whatever.
Both factors, explanatory power and social capital
potential may collide, but by far the social capital
component is the most important in human life. We do not
spent much time discussing about the spin of the electron,
because the explanatory power is easy to assess. But we
make wars when there is a collision of ideas with social
capital implied like "all men are equal under the law, the
individual has the right to seek happiness for himself"
and "another world of equality and happiness is possible
if we remove the social obstacles for human development"
燝ood and Truth is the same in many phylosophical systems.
A group and its associated beliefs works as an insurance
company. In essence the rational risk analysis of a client
before signing a contract with an insurance company is
similar to the evaluation of the beliefs of a group燼
lthough in this case it is unconscious and produces
sentiments of conversion, goodness and truthfulness.
2012/9/12 Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com
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There is no difference at all between religious
mitifications and other mitifucatuons . See form,
example the paper about Darwin that I posted. religion
is a label that appears when the爉ith爄s old enough it
has enough believers and the object of mitification is
far away in time.
People are reluctant to admit that they have unfounded
beliefs. Specially if they have been educated in the
belief that any belief is bad and into the belied that
they have no beliefs. But to have a commong ground of
beliefs is a prerequisite for individual and social
life. 營 think that my theory of social capital,
mytopoesis and belief and the assimilaion of good and
truth is sound in evolutuionary terms, and provides a
factual/operation definition of Truth in the world of
the mind, which is the only world accesible to us.
2012/9/11 Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Alberto G.
Corona <agocor...@gmail.com
<mailto:agocor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> every statement about 爓hatever, included
"reality" is made with mental
> concepts . 燭he definition of truth, reality ,
factual, religion, depend on
> axioms or unproved statements. I presented a
computational-evolutionary,
> falsable, exposition of what religion is: 燼
part of a wider class of
> phenomenons of "reality construction" and I
demonstrated IHMO that no man is
> free from it.
Aspects of religious belief such as mythopoesis,
do occur in other
facets of life, such as politics and even science.
But what is unique
about religion is that its proponents make factual
statements which
they proudly profess to believe in the absence of
any supporting
evidence, while disallowing such reasoning for
bizarre beliefs
different to their own without any apparent
awareness of the
inconsistency.
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Onward!
Stephen
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