Hi Evgenii Rudnyi  

Phenomena are the how physical processes appear to our senses.
So they are appearances, not the processes themselves.
But scientific experiments and measurements are not
made on the appearances, they are made on the
processes. Thus the appearences areor [phenomena
are said to be "well-grounded"  in the processes themselves.

Kant spelled this out in great detail,  calling "noumena" the
actual physical process which we cannot reach by our senses,
and the appearances of those noumena to the senses 
he called "phenomena". 

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Time: 2012-09-22, 09:26:55 
Subject: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism 


On 22.09.2012 14:09 Roger Clough said the following: 
> Hi Evgenii Rudnyi 
> 
> Following Leibniz and Kant, what we see in the case of the table is 
> a "well-grounded phenomenon". That is, we do not see the table 
> itself, but as it appears to our senses. But the table is not an 
> illusion, it really is there, and we can place a pitchure of milk on 
> it with no problem and knock on its surface. 

Now we should say where in the physical space this "well-grounded  
phenomenon" is located. Otherwise we will have a problem with 

PHYSICAL (within spacetime) 

Evgenii 


> 
> 
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/22/2012 "Forever is a long time, 
> especially near the end." -Woody Allen 
> 
> 
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> Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism 
> 
> 
> On 22.09.2012 11:48 Roger Clough said the following: 
>> Hi Craig Weinberg 
>> 
>> I would classify your items as follows: 
>> 
>> MENTAL (outside of spacetime) : All experiences, dreams, 
>> delusions, information, mathematics, logic, time, space, feelings, 
>> thoughts, ideas, numbers, life itself, God, monads, mathematics, 
>> physical laws themselves, theory of any type. 
>> 
>> PHYSICAL (within spacetime): Anything with dimensions, anything 
>> you can measure with physical instruments (even indirectly), weigh 
>> or see under a microscope or telescope, mass, energy, force, 
>> velocity, time, distance, voltage, optical or sound intensity, wave 
>> amplitude, dna type, cancer type, living tissue, dead tissue, flesh 
>> (brain). 

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