Hi Evgenii Rudnyi  

Phenomenal means physical objects as perceived by the senses.
Noumenal means the physical processes or objects themselves.



Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
9/24/2012  
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Subject: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism 


On 23.09.2012 15:05 Roger Clough said the following: 
> Hi Evgenii Rudnyi 
> 
> 
> Phenomena are the how physical processes appear to our senses. So 
> they are appearances, not the processes themselves. But scientific 
> experiments and measurements are not made on the appearances, they 
> are made on the processes. Thus the appearences areor [phenomena are 
> said to be "well-grounded" in the processes themselves. 
> 
> Kant spelled this out in great detail, calling "noumena" the actual 
> physical process which we cannot reach by our senses, and the 
> appearances of those noumena to the senses he called "phenomena". 
> 

That's fine. My question then would be as follows. When you talk about  
physical 

 >PHYSICAL (within spacetime): Anything with dimensions, 

do you mean "noumena" or "phenomena"? 

Evgenii 

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