On 11 Oct 2012, at 16:20, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2012, at 13:31, Roger Clough wrote:
>> Hi Bruno Marchal
I think that consciousness, intelligence and some measure of free
necessary and inseparable parts of life itself.
/ life \
> I agree with this.
I'm curious what there is in "free will" that you agree with, I
neither agree nor disagree with it.
Keep in mind that I use the compatibilist definition of free will,
which is the (machine) ability to exploits its self-indetermination
(with indetermination in the Turing sense, (not in the comp first
person sense, nor the quantum one). It is basically the ability to do
Then I propose the following semi-axiom for consciousness: that it is
true and undoubtable, and non justifiable rationally (+ invariant for
some digital transformations, but I don't use this here).
Then I can argue (and have done so already in different places) that:
Intelligence implies free will, and free will implies consciousness.
The reverse are more delicate.
Of course here intelligence is used in the sense of Krishnamurti, not
in the sense of "competence".
Intelligence is needed to *develop* competence, but competence has
most often a negative feedback on intelligence. People can be aware of
their competence, but not really of their intelligence.
Intelligence is almost nothing more than an awareness of our
limitations, related to an ability of changing one's mind. Like
consciousness, intelligence cannot be formally defined. I conjecture
that intelligence is a natural product of love, at least for the
humans, although this seems confirmed by the study of rats and
chimpanzees (but only through competence test, which can show the
presence of intelligence, but cannot show the absence of it).
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