On 13 Oct 2012, at 17:55, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>>> Keep in mind that I use the compatibilist definition of free
will, which is the (machine) ability to exploits its self-
indetermination (with indetermination in the Turing sense, (not in
the comp first person sense, nor the quantum one). It is basically
the ability to do conscious choice.
>> I can't keep it in mind because the above sounds very much like
gibberish.
> What exactly sounds like gibberish?
Well, to list the gibberish we should probably begin with "the comp
first person sense",
What is gibberish in the comp first person point of view?
but that's just the start. We mustn't forget the very word
"compatibilists" because they like to make noises like "free will
and determinism are compatible ideas" without having the slightest
"idea" what free will means. Or compatibilist,
?
who insist that "free will" can exist for reasons that have nothing
to do with metaphysics but fail to realize that if it exists for any
reason, metaphysical or otherwise, then it's deterministic.
? That is the definition of compatibilist. They believe in both free
will (conscious personal choice in presence of self-indetermination)
and determinism.
You lost me.
Bruno
And lets not forget those who insist that in order to qualify as
"free will" the "conscious choice" must not be done for a reason AND
it must not not be done for a reason.
John K Clark
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