On 21 Oct 2012, at 22:04, Roger Clough wrote:
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Dear Bruno,
WHOEVER: Tell us more about how White Rabbits can appear if there
is any
restriction of mutual logical consistency between 1p and in any
arbitrary recursion of 1p content?
BRUNO: We assume comp. If a digital computer processes the activity
of your brain in dream state with white rabbits,
it means that such a computation "with that dream" exist in
infinitely many local "incarnation" in the arithmetical (tiny,
Turing universal) reality.
If you do a physical experience, the hallucination that all goes
weird at that moment exists also, in arithmetic. The measure problem
consists in justifying from consistency, self-reference, universal
numbers, their rarity, that is why apparent special universal
(Turing) laws prevails (and this keeping in mind the 1p, the 1p-
indeterminacy, the 3p relative distinctions, etc.)
ROGER: IMHO In either case, the dream or hallucination, I maintain
that a computer cannot directly share your experience or even have
an experience period. Or to use notation, 3p(1p) is impossible.
That is I think the solipsism problem.
If I have it right, 3p(1p) = FALSE
However, my report of the dream would be 3p(1p), and a computer
can in the 3p sense, "understand" my 3p(1p). That is to say,
3p(3p(1p))) = TRUE.
Note that I am not at all proficient regarding logic.
You confuse machine and fridge. I am not sure my fridge is conscious,
OK.
But look at book on molecular biology, chemistry, physics. then study
computer science, that is a least a couples of very different sort of
universal programming language, then you might develop the familiarity
needed to understand that "computable" is a very large, but non
trivial notion, and that we have no evidence at all that there is
anything 3p which is not computable.
What it means, is that you can have an accident, and wake up at the
hospital, and feeling well, so that you ask for coming back at home,
and when paying the bill realized that those doctors saved you by
putting a computer in your skull, after a very long and precise
reconfiguration of it from what you left in the car.
Do you think that in such a situation you will conclude that you are a
zombie, that you should no more go to the church?
Comp, by definition is that such a you with an artificial brain is
still you.
Bruno
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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