On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > He believes he still exist, because he believes, or assumed, comp. >
People believe they exist and in real life they don't have or need a reason for doing so. And I no longer know what "comp" means. > Comp is that we can survive with a digital machine replacing the brain. > I have no difficulty with that, but now you tell me that it means a great many other things too, things that are clearly untrue; like consciousness was there before Evolution produced brains or "the owner [of a brain] itself must attach his consciousness to all states existing in arithmetic". > you are stuck in step 3 > And I will remain stuck there until you fix the blunders you made in step 3; after that perhaps the additional steps that were built on that fatally flawed foundation would be worth reading. > the guy in W and the guy in M are both the guy in H Yes. > by definition of comp. > I don't know what that is. > This is enough to get the 1_indeterminacy. > You don't know what your environment will be, what's new and mysterious about that? I have no duplicating machine but I still don't know if my environment will include rain tomorrow, but I can't find anything of philosophical interest in that fact . > And the guy in Helsinki, if he can reason like any Löbian machine, > Like your other invention "comp" I don't know what a "Löbian machine" is. >>>> What is the probability the Washington man will write in his diary he >>>> sees Washington? 100%. >>>> >>> >>> >>> The question was asked to the Helsinki man. >>> >> >> >> But you said the Helsinki man was destroyed, if so then he's got a >> rather severe case of writers block and is writing very little in his diary. >> > > > The body of the guy in Helsinki is destroyed, but by comp, we have > already accept that the guy itself survives. > So when you say "The question was asked to the Helsinki man" you are asking a question to a man who's body has been destroyed. Yes the Helsinki man is also the Washington man so you could say there is a 100% chance the Helsinki man will write in his diary "I see Washington". Of course the Helsinki man is also the Moscow man so there is a 100% chance the Helsinki man will write in his diary "I DO NOT see Washington". There is no contradiction because you have been duplicated. > >> If Bruno Marchal's body is duplicated and sent to Washington and Moscow > but inside identical boxes then Bruno Marchal's consciousness has not been > duplicated and will not be until the boxes are opened and different things > are observed by the Brunos, at that point they will no longer be each other > but both will still be Bruno Marchal > > > Exactly. This contradict what you say above though. > I said a great deal above but I'll be damned if I see any contradiction . > It doesn't matter if Boltzman brains exist or not. >> > > > Of course it does matter. That the point of step 4, 5, 6, 7. > Which are useless because they were built on top of a step that does not work. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
