On 03 Nov 2012, at 12:13, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Bruno Marchal

Sorry, I misconstrued the river/man analogy. Heraclitus
said instead that a man cannot stand in the same river twice
(or even from moment to moment). It's just a statement
of contingency.


I don't believe that. In my childhood, every summer I did stand in the same river.

Of course a river is a living being, it changes shapes, and moves in the panorama, and the quality of the water decreased, alas, for some time, also. But it was the same river, at least in the sense that I am the same guy who took pleasure standing in that river.

Heraclitus commited the "naturalist error" (with respect to comp) to identify a river with the local constitution that he assumes the existence. But that is for me in contradiction with most use of the word river in geography. A river is already a high level natural entity.

Le temps s'en va! Le temps s'en va!
Non Madame, le temps ne s'en va pas. C'est nous qui nous nous s'en allons! (French poet: literally "times go away! times go away! No Miss, times does't go away, but *we* go away).

Bruno







Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/3/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen


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From: Bruno Marchal
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Time: 2012-11-02, 13:39:24
Subject: Re: The One is not a number but a metaphor




On 02 Nov 2012, at 11:50, Roger Clough wrote:


Hi Bruno Marchal

When I refer to the One, I think of it not as a number 1
but as a metaphor.




Well, the ONE is not the number 1. OK.


The Soul is the identity of a monad, including the
supreme monad. The soul does not change, even though
the monad is constantly (rapidly) changing. The river
keeps changing, but the man standing in it remains the same.


Hmmmmmm.... why not. Too much fuzzy to be sure. Only the universal soul can be sais not changing. But once the soul has fallen, it forgets its universal origin, and undergone quite big changes.







So in like manor, we can consider the One (as a metaphor,
not as a number) as the Soul of the universe, the Universal
Soul.



I don't think so. the soul is the inner God, the one you can awake by different technic. The outer God, is beyond conceivability, even if comp can identify it with the very complex set of code of the arithmetical truth.
At least in the arithmetical interpretation of Plotinus.


Bruno




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