On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:48:45 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
> so awareness and intention are before biology, so you seem to admit a 
> teleology before life, like me.

Teleology and teleonomy both predate life. They are what time is made of.

> I don`t find this incompatible with natural selection (or evolution, as 
> left-leaning people likes to call it)

Hahaha, I wasn't aware that the very term evolution was now politicized. 
Actually it looks like Darwin preferred another term:

Charles Darwin used the word only once, in the closing paragraph of "The 
> Origin of Species" (1859), and preferred descent with modification, in 
> part because evolution already had been used in the 18c. homunculus 
> theory of embryological development (first proposed under this name by 
> Bonnet, 1762), in part because it carried a sense of "progress" not found 
> in Darwin's idea. But Victorian belief in progress prevailed (along with 
> brevity), and Herbert Spencer and other biologists popularized evolution.
> http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=evolution

So the reason that evolution was not Darwin's choice is precisely because 
he understood that it is not teleological.

> . You seem to admit natural selection up to a point but you reject it when 
> we are talking to sensible human things like the sexual roles. 

Yes, natural selection only shapes things that already exist, it doesn't 
bring awareness or qualities of awareness into existence.

> You enjoy the fact that NS made female hyenas to behave in some 
> politically correct ways (it seems). but you reject that NS selection make 
> female humans behave  as is in almost all the rest of the animal kingdom. 
> That´t funny.

I think it's funny that you think I'm citing some evidence supporting a 
left wing agenda. I'm only showing you that gender is not written in stone. 
It's something that most people are already aware of - although if you are 
over 60 then you have an excuse.


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> 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
>> doing
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> Alberto.

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