On Friday, December 14, 2012 8:14:01 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: > > I may be between both of you. > I don´t think that the hate in progressives is constitutive or inherent. > > I think that his hate of what is held a good beatiful and true is a > consequence of his belief in a more perfect ggood, bbeatiful and ttrue, and > our currently held concepts are an obstacle. >
> I put double initial letters because for the progressives there is no > Good, Beatiful and True, but a progress with no end. > When should progress have ended? 1950? 1850? 200 BC? > Conservatives, like me, believe that God Beatiful and True exist, and our > lowecase conceptions reflect them. > Human beings like me have seen the evidence that Conservative attitudes prevent progress and try to contribute to recovering progress from regressive, fear-based oligarchies. Craig > > > 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > >> >> >> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:43:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>> >>> Hi Alberto G. Corona >>> >>> It's much simpler than that, I think. >>> Progressives hate everything resembles anything >>> held to be good, beautiful, or true. >>> >> >> Then your thoughts are simple-minded indeed. >> >> Gandhi, MLK, Einstein were haters of goodness, beauty, and truth? >> Progressives aren't artists or musicians? >> >> You can believe in black and white demagoguery if you like..that's >> exactly what Progressives want to leave behind. >> >> Craig >> >> >>> >>> [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] >>> 12/13/2012 >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>> >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> *From:* Alberto G. Corona >>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>> *Time:* 2012-12-13, 10:13:03 >>> *Subject:* Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and >>> emotional,brain study shows >>> >>> You said it: >>> ."...in part because it (evolution) carried a sense of "progress" not >>> found in Darwin's idea" >>> >>> Evolution is descriptive, is the fact. natural selection is the theory >>> that explain it. A scientific theory impose constraints with what may and >>> may not happen. For example, child caring and risk taking at the same time >>> may not happen. >>> >>> That� why progressives prefer the term evolution rather than �atural >>> selection. They want no constraints for his will of the transformation of >>> themselves and their society according with its will. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:48:45 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> so awareness and intention are before biology, so you seem to admit a >>>>> teleology before life, like me. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Teleology and teleonomy both predate life. They are what time is made >>>> of. >>>> � >>>> >>>>> I don`t find this�ncompatible�ith natural selection (or evolution, as >>>>> left-leaning people likes to call it) >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hahaha, I wasn't aware that the very term evolution was now >>>> politicized. Actually it looks like Darwin preferred another term: >>>> >>>> Charles Darwin used the word only once, in the closing paragraph of >>>>> "The Origin of Species" (1859), and preferred descent with >>>>> modification, in part because evolution already had been used in the >>>>> 18c. homunculus theory of embryological development (first proposed under >>>>> this name by Bonnet, 1762), in part because it carried a sense of >>>>> "progress" not found in Darwin's idea. But Victorian belief in progress >>>>> prevailed (along with brevity), and Herbert Spencer and other biologists >>>>> popularized evolution. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.etymonline.com/**index.php?term=evolution<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=evolution> >>>>> >>>> >>>> So the reason that evolution was not Darwin's choice is precisely >>>> because he understood that it is not teleological. >>>> � >>>> >>>>> . You seem to admit natural selection up to a point but you reject it >>>>> when we are talking to sensible human things like the sexual roles. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, natural selection only shapes things that already exist, it >>>> doesn't bring awareness or qualities of awareness into existence. >>>> � >>>> >>>>> You enjoy the fact that NS made female�yenas to behave in�ome >>>>> politically correct ways (it seems). but you reject that NS selection >>>>> make >>>>> female humans behave �s is in almost all the rest of the animal kingdom. >>>>> That� funny. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I think it's funny that you think I'm citing some evidence supporting a >>>> left wing agenda. I'm only showing you that gender is not written in >>>> stone. >>>> It's something that most people are already aware of - although if you are >>>> over 60 then you have an excuse. >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> � >>>> >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> doing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Alberto. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>>> msg/everything-list/-/**sdpVQn09vMYJ<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/sdpVQn09vMYJ>. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >>>> googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alberto. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >>> googlegroups.com. >>> >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>> . >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/KrxIG-s2MLgJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Alberto. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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