On Friday, December 14, 2012 8:54:39 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: > > > > > 2012/12/14 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > >> >> >> On Friday, December 14, 2012 8:14:01 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: >>> >>> I may be between both of you. >>> I don´t think that the hate in progressives is constitutive or inherent. >>> >>> I think that his hate of what is held a good beatiful and true is a >>> consequence of his belief in a more perfect ggood, bbeatiful and ttrue, and >>> our currently held concepts are an obstacle. >>> >> >>> I put double initial letters because for the progressives there is no >>> Good, Beatiful and True, but a progress with no end. >>> >> >> When should progress have ended? 1950? 1850? 200 BC? >> > > Dear Craig: > > One thing is material progress and progress in knowledge. Another thing is > the progressive worldview. The second is what we are talking about, I guess. > > I can not believe that you are so brainless as to mix both >
If only I could believe that you had the equivalent capacity that you cannot have the one without the other. > > >>> Conservatives, like me, believe that God Beatiful and True exist, and >>> our lowecase conceptions reflect them. >>> >> >> Human beings like me have seen the evidence that Conservative attitudes >> prevent progress and try to contribute to recovering progress from >> regressive, fear-based oligarchies. >> >> This response is the hallmark of a progressive worldview, and adhere > perfectly to my definition: Hate to the established and aim to his > destruction because it is an obstacle for something better that still don´t > exist. But no matter what is it, progress will bring it. That´s their core > believef. > Without it, there can be no progress. You want to enjoy the fruits of progress from past progressive efforts while denying those same efforts validity in your own time. That seems hypocritical to me, but then, my view of conservatism generally agrees with the recent study which found as follows: "Four researchers who culled through 50 years of research literature about > the psychology of conservatism report that at the core of political > conservatism is the resistance to change and a tolerance for inequality, > and that some of the common psychological factors linked to political > conservatism include: > > - Fear and aggression > - Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity > - Uncertainty avoidance > - Need for cognitive closure > - Terror management > > *http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml* > > That´s why the progressives hate any constraint, any law any definition > that fixes things once and for all. > That's because it is their job to represent the reality that nothing in the universe is fixed once and for all - except the universe itself. > > Of course Craig, this is not against you. I love you. It is against the > progressive belief, which is a destructive one. Accept conservatism and be > happy ;). Just a joke. > Haha. thanks, I love you all too. Is there a similar study by a conservative university which suggests that progressives have 'beliefs' which are destructive? Or are there any universities with a Conservative reputation which you would not be ashamed to mention? Most Conservative studies seem to be conducted by well funded hate groups, er, think tanks. ;) Not really a joke, but intended without offense. Craig > > >>> >>> >>> 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:43:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Alberto G. Corona >>>>> >>>>> It's much simpler than that, I think. >>>>> Progressives hate everything resembles anything >>>>> held to be good, beautiful, or true. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Then your thoughts are simple-minded indeed. >>>> >>>> Gandhi, MLK, Einstein were haters of goodness, beauty, and truth? >>>> Progressives aren't artists or musicians? >>>> >>>> You can believe in black and white demagoguery if you like..that's >>>> exactly what Progressives want to leave behind. >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] >>>>> 12/13/2012 >>>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>>> *From:* Alberto G. Corona >>>>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>>>> *Time:* 2012-12-13, 10:13:03 >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and >>>>> emotional,brain study shows >>>>> >>>>> You said it: >>>>> ."...in part because it (evolution) carried a sense of "progress" not >>>>> found in Darwin's idea" >>>>> >>>>> Evolution is descriptive, is the fact. natural selection is the theory >>>>> that explain it. A scientific theory impose constraints with what may and >>>>> may not happen. For example, child caring and risk taking at the same >>>>> time >>>>> may not happen. >>>>> >>>>> That� why progressives prefer the term evolution rather than �atural >>>>> selection. They want no constraints for his will of the transformation of >>>>> themselves and their society according with its will. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:48:45 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so awareness and intention are before biology, so you seem to admit >>>>>>> a teleology before life, like me. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Teleology and teleonomy both predate life. They are what time is made >>>>>> of. >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don`t find this�ncompatible�ith natural selection (or evolution, >>>>>>> as left-leaning people likes to call it) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hahaha, I wasn't aware that the very term evolution was now >>>>>> politicized. Actually it looks like Darwin preferred another term: >>>>>> >>>>>> Charles Darwin used the word only once, in the closing paragraph of >>>>>>> "The Origin of Species" (1859), and preferred descent with >>>>>>> modification, in part because evolution already had been used in >>>>>>> the 18c. homunculus theory of embryological development (first proposed >>>>>>> under this name by Bonnet, 1762), in part because it carried a sense of >>>>>>> "progress" not found in Darwin's idea. But Victorian belief in progress >>>>>>> prevailed (along with brevity), and Herbert Spencer and other >>>>>>> biologists >>>>>>> popularized evolution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.etymonline.com/**inde**x.php?term=evolution<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=evolution> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So the reason that evolution was not Darwin's choice is precisely >>>>>> because he understood that it is not teleological. >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>>> . You seem to admit natural selection up to a point but you reject >>>>>>> it when we are talking to sensible human things like the sexual roles. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, natural selection only shapes things that already exist, it >>>>>> doesn't bring awareness or qualities of awareness into existence. >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>>> You enjoy the fact that NS made female�yenas to behave in�ome >>>>>>> politically correct ways (it seems). but you reject that NS selection >>>>>>> make >>>>>>> female humans behave �s is in almost all the rest of the animal >>>>>>> kingdom. >>>>>>> That� funny. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it's funny that you think I'm citing some evidence supporting >>>>>> a left wing agenda. I'm only showing you that gender is not written in >>>>>> stone. It's something that most people are already aware of - although >>>>>> if >>>>>> you are over 60 then you have an excuse. >>>>>> >>>>>> Craig >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Alberto. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ >>>>>> **ms**g/everything-list/-/**sdpVQn09vM**YJ<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/sdpVQn09vMYJ>. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >>>>>> googlegroups.**com. >>>>>> >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>>>> group**/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Alberto. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >>>>> googlegroups.**com. >>>>> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group >>>>> **/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>>> msg/everything-list/-/KrxIG-**s2MLgJ<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/KrxIG-s2MLgJ> >>>> . >>>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >>>> googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alberto. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/f6wZ8ukRPesJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Alberto. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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