2012/12/14 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> > > > On Friday, December 14, 2012 8:14:01 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: >> >> I may be between both of you. >> I don´t think that the hate in progressives is constitutive or inherent. >> >> I think that his hate of what is held a good beatiful and true is a >> consequence of his belief in a more perfect ggood, bbeatiful and ttrue, and >> our currently held concepts are an obstacle. >> > >> I put double initial letters because for the progressives there is no >> Good, Beatiful and True, but a progress with no end. >> > > When should progress have ended? 1950? 1850? 200 BC? >
Dear Craig: One thing is material progress and progress in knowledge. Another thing is the progressive worldview. The second is what we are talking about, I guess. I can not believe that you are so brainless as to mix both >> Conservatives, like me, believe that God Beatiful and True exist, and our >> lowecase conceptions reflect them. >> > > Human beings like me have seen the evidence that Conservative attitudes > prevent progress and try to contribute to recovering progress from > regressive, fear-based oligarchies. > > This response is the hallmark of a progressive worldview, and adhere perfectly to my definition: Hate to the established and aim to his destruction because it is an obstacle for something better that still don´t exist. But no matter what is it, progress will bring it. That´s their core believef. That´s why the progressives hate any constraint, any law any definition that fixes things once and for all. Of course Craig, this is not against you. I love you. It is against the progressive belief, which is a destructive one. Accept conservatism and be happy ;). Just a joke. Craig > > >> >> >> 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:43:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Alberto G. Corona >>>> >>>> It's much simpler than that, I think. >>>> Progressives hate everything resembles anything >>>> held to be good, beautiful, or true. >>>> >>> >>> Then your thoughts are simple-minded indeed. >>> >>> Gandhi, MLK, Einstein were haters of goodness, beauty, and truth? >>> Progressives aren't artists or musicians? >>> >>> You can believe in black and white demagoguery if you like..that's >>> exactly what Progressives want to leave behind. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>>> >>>> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >>>> 12/13/2012 >>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>> *From:* Alberto G. Corona >>>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>>> *Time:* 2012-12-13, 10:13:03 >>>> *Subject:* Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and >>>> emotional,brain study shows >>>> >>>> You said it: >>>> ."...in part because it (evolution) carried a sense of "progress" not >>>> found in Darwin's idea" >>>> >>>> Evolution is descriptive, is the fact. natural selection is the theory >>>> that explain it. A scientific theory impose constraints with what may and >>>> may not happen. For example, child caring and risk taking at the same time >>>> may not happen. >>>> >>>> That� why progressives prefer the term evolution rather than �atural >>>> selection. They want no constraints for his will of the transformation of >>>> themselves and their society according with its will. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:48:45 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> so awareness and intention are before biology, so you seem to admit a >>>>>> teleology before life, like me. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Teleology and teleonomy both predate life. They are what time is made >>>>> of. >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>>> I don`t find this�ncompatible�ith natural selection (or evolution, as >>>>>> left-leaning people likes to call it) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hahaha, I wasn't aware that the very term evolution was now >>>>> politicized. Actually it looks like Darwin preferred another term: >>>>> >>>>> Charles Darwin used the word only once, in the closing paragraph of >>>>>> "The Origin of Species" (1859), and preferred descent with >>>>>> modification, in part because evolution already had been used in the >>>>>> 18c. homunculus theory of embryological development (first proposed under >>>>>> this name by Bonnet, 1762), in part because it carried a sense of >>>>>> "progress" not found in Darwin's idea. But Victorian belief in progress >>>>>> prevailed (along with brevity), and Herbert Spencer and other biologists >>>>>> popularized evolution. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.etymonline.com/**inde**x.php?term=evolution<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=evolution> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So the reason that evolution was not Darwin's choice is precisely >>>>> because he understood that it is not teleological. >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>>> . You seem to admit natural selection up to a point but you reject it >>>>>> when we are talking to sensible human things like the sexual roles. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, natural selection only shapes things that already exist, it >>>>> doesn't bring awareness or qualities of awareness into existence. >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>>> You enjoy the fact that NS made female�yenas to behave in�ome >>>>>> politically correct ways (it seems). but you reject that NS selection >>>>>> make >>>>>> female humans behave �s is in almost all the rest of the animal kingdom. >>>>>> That� funny. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think it's funny that you think I'm citing some evidence supporting >>>>> a left wing agenda. I'm only showing you that gender is not written in >>>>> stone. It's something that most people are already aware of - although if >>>>> you are over 60 then you have an excuse. >>>>> >>>>> Craig >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> doing >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Alberto. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/* >>>>> *ms**g/everything-list/-/**sdpVQn09vM**YJ<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/sdpVQn09vMYJ>. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >>>>> googlegroups.**com. >>>>> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group >>>>> **/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alberto. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >>>> googlegroups.**com. >>>> >>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group* >>>> */everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>> msg/everything-list/-/KrxIG-**s2MLgJ<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/KrxIG-s2MLgJ> >>> . >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >>> googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>> . >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/f6wZ8ukRPesJ. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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