2013/1/10 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> > On 1/10/2013 11:37 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > It's not working just fine if *repeated* occurence of such *extremelly low > probability* occurs. > > > But that's exactly what happens in you hypothetical MWI example. >

Yes and MWI is "saved" because in MWI it does happen... leaving you with two rationale choice, MWI or a new theory, in that setting QM+collapse should be be ignored *unless* a good explanation principle is given. > > > If you say it's fine, then you're simply saying probability is > meaningless. I wonder what measurement you'll accept to falsify a theory ? > > > The theory is in how the probability is calculated. I'd regard that > theory, QM, as falsified in your examples. In fact that has been used > (wrongly I think) as a criticism of MWI since it implies infinitely many > worlds where QM has been empirically falsified. > > Brent > > > Regardsn > Quentin > > 2013/1/10 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> > >> You can as well say collapse is saved because P=10^-6 > 0 and so >> probability calculus is working just fine. Collapse and MWI use the same >> probability calculus. >> >> Brent >> >> >> On 1/10/2013 10:42 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Yes but in QM + collapse it is a potentiality which happen according to >> the probability in mwi it is a proportion, it always happen. If the event >> always happen your prior probability calculus is severly broken. Mwi is >> saved because in mwi probability are not about happening but are >> proportions in qm+collapse it is about happening. >> Quentin >> Le 10 janv. 2013 19:34, "meekerdb" <meeke...@verizon.net> a écrit : >> >>> On 1/10/2013 7:37 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> No, I say it can no more happen in collapse theory without *a very good* >>> explanation principle. I'm sorry but if the theory predict it happens with >>> a 1/10⁹ probability of occurence and every time you test it, it happens... >>> I'd say your prior probability calculus is screwed, so without a *good* >>> explanation, your theory can be said to be falsified. As I said, the *good* >>> explanation with MWI is that *it does* happen. >>> >>> >>> But MWI also predicts P=10^-6. >>> >>> Brent >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> No virus found in this message. >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2637/6023 - Release Date: >> 01/10/13 >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2637/6023 - Release Date: 01/10/13 > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.