On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
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> On 16 Jan 2013, at 13:13, Roger Clough wrote:
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>> Hi Bruno Marchal
>>
>> Specific properties, at least down here, are needed
>> if you accept Leibniz' dictum that identical entities cannot
>> exist in this contingent world, for they would have the same identity.

Indeed. I conjecture that every single monad is distinct
given the vast string landscape of monad possibilities.
Distinctness appears to be more primative than the monad.
Richard

>>
>> I'm inclined to say that that is also true in Platonia,
>> which would be a disaster, for you could not say 1 = 1.
>> A saving grace might be that one of those 1's is before,
>> and the other, after the equal sign.   That is, the numbers
>> are distinguished by context.
>
>
> I agree with all what you say here. Tell this to Stephen.
> Note that we are distinguished by context too.
>
> Bruno
>
>
>>
>>
>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
>> 1/16/2013
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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>> Time: 2013-01-15, 08:51:12
>> Subject: Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter
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>>
>> On 13 Jan 2013, at 20:14, Stephen P. King wrote:
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>>> On 1/13/2013 2:02 PM, meekerdb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/13/2013 12:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> OK. My point is that if we assume computationalism it is
>>>>> necessarily so, and constructively so, so making that hypothesis
>>>>> testable.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have the logical entaiment:
>>>>>
>>>>> Arithmetic -> computations -> consciousness -> sharable dreams ->
>>>>> physical reality/matter -> human biology -> human consciousness.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a generalization of "natural selection" operating from
>>>>> arithmetical truth, and in which the physical reality is itself
>>>>> the result of a self-selection events (the global first person
>>>>> indeterminacy).
>>>>>
>>>>> This generalizes both Darwin and Everett, somehow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But you stop one step too soon.
>>>>
>>>> Arithmetic -> computations -> consciousness -> sharable dreams ->
>>>> physical reality/matter -> human biology -> human consciousness ->
>>>> arithmetic.
>>>>
>>>> That there is something fundamental is unscientific dogma.
>>>>
>>>> Brent
>>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I agree with Brent but would refine the point to say that 'that
>>> there is something fundamental that has particular properties is
>>> unscientific dogma'.
>>
>>
>> A dogma is only something that you cannot doubt or question.
>>
>> Now something fundamental without properties is just meaningless. In
>> my opinion. How could anything emerge from something without any
>> properties?
>>
>> You have not been able to explain this, up to now.
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>>
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