On 1/24/2013 10:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
In the same way, except a few in a concrete time in the greek history, the Greeks believed that the earth was flat, with the center in Greece. The world okeanos, (ocean) was a river, that surrounded the earth, where greece was at the center.


The XII century, the time of Juachim de Fiore, and the time of the Katars was a time of greath economic growth. It is true that the inquisition was created at that time, but except with the katars (that worshipped Lucifer), the Inquisition became really active in the Renaissance.The horrid Spanish Inquisition produced around 2000 death penalties, while the protestants burned without ,judicial case, thousands between battle and battle in the European wars of religion

Compare this with the hundreds of thousands killed in La Vendee, a smal region of France in a few days, killed by the rationalist french revolutionaries

It was more like 70,000 and it was in putting down an insurrection.

or the hundred millions killed by the scientific socialists.

The Stalinist and Maoists were hardly 'scientific', they just weren't theists. For example, they rejected Darwin just like Baptists do.

(or the 5+30 millions killed by the  modern eugenesists).

The selection of stories in a biased way is a proof of nothing but the own 
prejudices.

It seems strange to hear moral relativism from a Christian. I'd say it's evidence that all those events and whatever agenda they were implementing were evil. But the point is that the Church held itself as the sole and absolute moral authority with instructions directly from God. So it's a little more significant when it commits its crimes in the name of God.

Brent



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    On 1/24/2013 9:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
    All these things are part of the myths of modernity. The reality is quite
    different. The idea that the medievals though that the earth was flat is 
larguely a
    myth,

    "As to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say,
    men on the opposite side of the earth where the sun rises
    when it sets to us, men who walk with their feet opposite
    ours, that is on no ground credible."
          --- St. Augustine

    To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous
    as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin.
          --- Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615, letter to Paolo Frascioni


    as true as the fact that now a fair amount of the people in the world 
believe that
    Man has not been in the Moon. Inquisition, for example, and the burning of 
withches
    was a phenomenon of the early modern age not from the middle age, where 
woman had
    quite more freedon,

    The Church punished heresy from the time it gained power.  Inquistions 
became
    formalized with the suppression of the Cathars in the 12th century (the 
medieval
    period by any reckoning)

    Certainly, the pursuit of knowledge was obstructed by the Church as long as 
it had
    the power - not just in the medieval period. The Spanish Inquisition ended 
in 1834.

    The popular ideas about the medieval era are based in prejudices that are 
part of
    the essence of modernity, which has the need of the existence of a "dark 
age" (the
    "Middle Age") and a Golden age (The ancient age) for its existence. the 
mytical
    tree stages in history is part of this gnostic elaboration invented by 
Joachim de
    Fiore. Since them all ideological creations, including the modern division 
of
    history had three stages.

    And the Catholic Church has been trying to revise history ever since to 
conceal it's
    role in obstructing science, oppressing women, harboring pedophiles, and 
murdering jews.

    Brent





    2013/1/24 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>

        On 1/24/2013 8:33 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
        This is exactly what happened to Islam in the 1300s.
        After the fundamentalists took over, rationality was dispensed with,
        and centuries of scientific progress were deemed sufficient for Islam
        for all time. And so it seems that Islam went from world leadership in
        science to where it is today.

        Fortunately the same did not happen to the Christians. But based on
        John's comments, I wonder why not.

        But it did happen.  The Greeks already knew the Earth was a sphere, how 
far
        away and how big the Sun was.  They had a speculative idea of biological
        evolution.  They had the concept of atoms and how all matter might be
constructed from just a few basic components in different combinations. Aristotle was an empiricist. If it had not been for the early Church's
        emphasis on faith, dogma, and rationalism, science would be centuries 
more
        advanced.

        Brent
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