On 24 Jan 2013, at 22:03, Jason Resch wrote:
John,
I agree with Craig. The concept of divine simplicity exists in
several religions ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_simplicity ).
The book by O'Meara on Plotinus makes clear the idea that Plotinus
want the ONE to be simple.
The ONE is seen as the simplest thing from which the MANY can emanate,
and the SOUL contemplate (or fall).
The concept is also not dissimilar to the "Neti Neti" (Not this, not
that) explanation of Brahman in Hindusim ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neti_neti
) or the Nirguna Brahman, which is Brahman without qualities.
Nice. That's also a common point with neoplatonist theologies. It is
negation theologies, where the big thing is only refuted to be this or
that. With comp this applies to both "truth" and "the inner god", that
is you-at-the-first-person (you-1 have no definite name or
description), you-yourself are not this or that.
Of course, the whole question of what is simple and what is complex
requires a definition of complexity. The universal dovetailer is a
simple program, yet it generates all programs. The Mandlebrot set
has a simple definition, but is infinitely detailed. Pi has a
simple definition, but an infinite expansion of digits.
So apparent complexity, of a universe, a world, etc. need not be
dependent on complex underlying principles or systems. Bruno often
says, arithmetic is much bigger when seen from the inside.
Little numbers can develop crazy complex behaviors, and with comp they
can support (locally) rich inner experiences.
The difficulty relies in the first person statistical fitness with the
probable universal neighbors. (As you can guess).
Bruno
Jason
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM, John Clark <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> A two year old can understand what God is supposed to be.
A two year old can't understand how something simple can know
everything and neither can I; and there is a reason the word
"simple" is often used as a synonym for "stupid". And the Bible just
says that God made animals but it doesn't say how, but Darwin didn't
just say Evolution made animals he explained how it did it. Saying
"animals exist because of God" is no more helpful than saying
"animals exist because of flobkneegrab".
> The position that I am arguing is knock down that unsupported
balloon that you tried to float about science being better than
religion because science always means that complex things are
explained by simple things.
That is not what science means that is what a explanation means; a
theory (like the God theory) that explains the existence of
something unlikely (like us) by postulating the existence of
something even more unlikely (like God) is worse than useless.
> Your straw man of me arguing that God is not important didn't work.
Good, now I don't have to find a verse in the Bible proving that it
teaches that God is grand.
> This is something that science and religion have in common, not
which sets them apart.
But you aren't exactly a expert on science, you admitted that to you
most scientific papers are just a huge amount of mumbo jumbo, so
your readers might be wise to take your views on the value of
science with a grain of salt.
John K Clark
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