On 12 Apr 2013, at 20:09, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even
remotely as flaky as modern cosmology.
> > After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody
who values rationality can take anything that Craig Weinberg says
seriously.
> That is not valid.
If it's not valid then I do see how somebody who values rationality
can take anything that Craig Weinberg says seriously. But no, I
believe I'm a better judge of what i think than you are and I really
think that I don't see how anybody who values rationality can take
anything that Craig Weinberg says seriously.
You can always go at the meta-level and ask yourself how could a
machine asserts things like that.
The surprise here is that self-referentially correct machines can
assert quite similar things than Craig, and of course this refutes his
no-comp conclusion or prejudice. About astrology, I suspect it was a
kind of provocation only.
Bruno
> It is not because a statement made by an entity is not correct
that all statements (or all reasonings) made by that entity is not
correct (or valid).
Given the fact that you are mortal and only have a finite amount of
time to listen to anybody say anything if you knew that somebody
passionately believed that the earth was flat would you really
carefully listen to what he had to say about ANYTHING? Belief in
astrology and numerology is just as bad as a flat earth.
> To be sure, I would not defend that precise statement made by Craig,
I would sincerely hope that you wouldn't defend a statement that was
even approximately like the one made by Craig, otherwise I've been
on the wrong list for over a year.
> Many scientists have rejected the existence of lucid dreams, only
because it was published in a journal of parapsychology.
I have no trouble with the idea of lucid dreaming, even Feynman said
he could do it in the 1930's when he was a student, but given their
track record I wouldn't trust one word I read about anything in a
journal of parapsychology, so there is no point in my reading them.
John K Clark
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