First of all, it's not just the same day of the year, the exact location, year, and time factor in also - but even identical twins are not the same person. The themes involved are about polarity, so that twins often oppose each other as far as which extremes they express...and these are just themes, not controlling mechanisms. Astrology and numerology both are not supposed to be predictive sciences, they are reflective arts. As for Lincoln and Darwin, they are not a bad example at all. They were not born at the same time or place, but they still embody the Aquarian tension of revolutionary rationalism. symbolized by the Saturnian-Uranian co-'rulership' of Aquarius. (from http://www.prometheusbooks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=461&zenid=rg6mgiba3utmerg3b69k0ci3u6) "While the coincidence of these two men being born on exactly the same day might fill astrologers with glee, further reflection points to many parallels and intersections in their lives. In this unique approach to history and biography, historian David R. Contosta examines the lives and careers of Lincoln (the political rebel) and Darwin (the scientific rebel), and notes many surprising and illuminating points of comparison. - Lost their mothers in childhood and later lost beloved children at young ages. - Had strained relations with their fathers. - Went through years of searching for a direction to their lives. - Struggled with religious doubt. - Were latter-day sons of the Enlightenment who elevated reason over religious revelation. - Suffered from severe bouts of depression. - Were ambitious as well as patient, with sure and steady mental powers rather than quick minds. - Possessed an excellent sense of pacing that allowed them to wait until the time was ripe for their ideas and leadership. Looking at their charts: [image: http://judecowell.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/lincoln-natal-assassination.jpg] http://catalystastrology.com/images/charlesdarwin.jpg With their interesting combination of Mars in Libra squaring their Moon and trining their Sun, it is unsurprising that they would share a lasting legacy which is both emotionally contentious and powerfully progressive. There are a ton of things there. The Neptune Saturn conjunction with the Jupiter stellium in Neptune-ruled Pisces is very much about redemption and themes of devotion and duty...self-sacrifice. I don't know if I trust the time on Darwin's chart, but if it's in the neighborhood of right, then it would make sense that he put science first while Lincoln, with his Sun rising, put his leadership role first. > > They are all readily available online. Look up the Moon landing and JFK >> assassination. If you are interested, then don't take my word for it. >> > > They would be a lot more impressive if these predictions had been made > before the moon landings and assassination not after. It's easy to make > predictions after the fact. > The idea that astrology is about prediction is one which has been promoted by tabloid horoscope columns, but that is not a good way of using it or of understanding what it is really about. It can be predictive in the sense that meteorology is predictive, but overall, as with the weather, someone would be better advised taking their cues from their direct perception most of the time, and taking the astrological themes as a kind of supplemental source. Astrology is not about cause and effect, it is about archetypal themes. > And > I stand by what I said before, after these embarrassingly stupid comments > I don't see how anybody who values rationality can take anything that Craig > Weinberg says seriously. > Astrology is extremely rational, which is why scientific development tends to begin with some form of astronomy-based divination. Your bigotry is well known on this list, so I welcome your seal of disapproval as a way to encourage narrow-minded thinkers not to waste my time, and to inspire the curiosity of others. Craig > > John K Clark > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.