On 14 Apr 2013, at 19:02, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi Bruno,
Unless we can explain how the *some first person plural
indeterminacy* obtains, it does not give a satisfactory explanation
of 'shared experience'.
Yes. Basically, getting the fits person plural is the same as getting
the physical laws.
It seems to me that you are right, in so far as, the necessity of
such, but I argue that that alone is insufficient. You might want
something like the axiom of choice
That is asking too much, as I have already explained. I don't assume
set theory.
and foundation to force the collection of *some first person plural
indeterminacy* into a partition, but I argue that this is equivalent
to assuming that satistiability obtains for collections of
propositions automatically - something we know it false!
It is for this reason that I reject the timelessness of Platonism
and adopt a 'Process" view where Becoming is ontologically
fundamental and time is defined locally by the 1p measures of
observers.
You should convince Craig, not a computationalist, as UDA shows that
physical time is not primitive.
Bruno
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 13 Apr 2013, at 15:17, Richard Ruquist wrote:
But Bruno,
because of the measure problem, MWI must also be probabilistic,
otherwise it does not agree with experiment.
The universal wave evolves deterministically, but *we* are in the
superposed and differentiating branches, so we feel like there is an
indeterminacy in the 3p sense, but without collapse, it is only a
first person indeterminacy of the same kind of comp (UDA step 3).
With comp, we are automatically in the superposed state brought by
the infinitely many universal numbers competing to generate our
state. Indeterminacy is predicted once we look around below our
substitution level.
The sharable experiment comes from some first person plural
indeterminacy.
Bruno
Richard
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 12 Apr 2013, at 03:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]
> wrote:
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:29:51 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote:
If matter is deterministic, how could it behave in a random way?
It couldn't.
Are you saying then that matter is random, or that it is neither
random nor
deterministic?
Matter behaves randomly, but probability theory allows us to make
predictions about random events.
But with QM without collapse, matter does not behave randomly. The
SWE is deterministic.
We are multiplied, and the randomness comes from the first person
perspective.
Comp extends this. The SWE itself emerges from the first person
perspective of the person supervening on the arithmetical relation
defining computations.
Bruno
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